Chart Stalkers January 2008
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For the past hour or so I have been gettin twinges/aches over the right side of my ovary area. Im sure it is ov pain and the thing is, OH has gone to bed as he is on earlies. We bd last night and we are going to tomorrow evening too, am I likely to miss the 'time' because we havent bd right now. It feels like a dragging sensation just on one side. We bd fri and thurs too, so only missed sat and tonight.
did you bd last night? you should be ok if you look at my chart i missed 2 days in a row right at ov time and still managed it, its worth a try though with oh and if he is really not up for it you are atill in with a good chance 
Thanks babydust, yes we did bd last night and fri too so hopefully we have timed it right (if there are swimmers in there somewhere 
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Your chart gives me hope
He's def not up for it tonight, poor chap was up at 4.30 am today and has dropped right off-I dont think he would appreciate me jumping on him especially as he is up again early tomorrow
However we plan to bd tomorrow evening so fingers X
)Your chart gives me hope
He's def not up for it tonight, poor chap was up at 4.30 am today and has dropped right off-I dont think he would appreciate me jumping on him especially as he is up again early tomorrow
However we plan to bd tomorrow evening so fingers X
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Scones can you not wake up early with him in the morning? 
You could always then just go back to sleep!!!
You could always then just go back to sleep!!! 
Morning all!
Well, I am getting in a total tizz now.
After 2 lines on OPK tests at the weekend (which I have now marked as positive on my chart) yesterday there was no line.
I was assuming that meant I was ovulating so my temp should have gone up this morning but it hasn't. There is a slight rise from saturday, but in general it's all lower than it has been.
The only thing might be I was really unwell at the start of my cycle, and wasn't feeling 100% last week either, so maybe my temps were higher than they should be?? At the weekend there is the first time I have felt healthy!
I really don't know what to think now. Am I not ovulating? Have I just not ovulated yet? Or have I ovulated but it's hard to see because I've been a bit under the weather?
I'm getting really worried now.
Should I keep doing the OPKs?
Well, I am getting in a total tizz now.
After 2 lines on OPK tests at the weekend (which I have now marked as positive on my chart) yesterday there was no line.
I was assuming that meant I was ovulating so my temp should have gone up this morning but it hasn't. There is a slight rise from saturday, but in general it's all lower than it has been.
The only thing might be I was really unwell at the start of my cycle, and wasn't feeling 100% last week either, so maybe my temps were higher than they should be?? At the weekend there is the first time I have felt healthy!
I really don't know what to think now. Am I not ovulating? Have I just not ovulated yet? Or have I ovulated but it's hard to see because I've been a bit under the weather?
I'm getting really worried now.
Should I keep doing the OPKs?
Morning all
KMAC were the lines definitely darker than the control line? Try not to worry it is probably just like you say you being poorly has thrown your temps.
Well FF gave me a link to some 'FAQs you may find interesting right now'. One was fluctuating and high temps during menstruation, which makes sense as mine have been high and the other was identifying fertility problems. Thanks FF that's really brightened my day.
KMAC were the lines definitely darker than the control line? Try not to worry it is probably just like you say you being poorly has thrown your temps.
Well FF gave me a link to some 'FAQs you may find interesting right now'. One was fluctuating and high temps during menstruation, which makes sense as mine have been high and the other was identifying fertility problems. Thanks FF that's really brightened my day.
Morning all,
Kmac - This is the downside of using opks if they cause you stress. What is your CM like, I would go more on that than the opks. It doesn't look as though you have ov'd yet from your chart so I would keep BD'ing.
I kept getting faint lines all through my cycle this time around, very unusual for me.
Well it's groundhog day for me. Spotting today as expecting, my temp has flat lined which means it will probably be the same tomorrow and then drop.
I just don't know what more I can do to try and get a BFP. BD'd loads at the right time, eat sensibly. Ok I drank a few extra glasses of vino over xmas but none since. Not even yesterday on my birthday.
The weird thing is, the spotting for several days before my AF has only started when we started TTC
Chrissy - I thought you only had to do the 2nd FSH test if you got a positive on the first one. That's the way I read it.
I will get DH to think about doing his test this week then if you need a gap in between time to make sure he's OK for action when we get back to BD'ing.
Don't know what to do now, whether to try agnus castus or not.
Kmac - This is the downside of using opks if they cause you stress. What is your CM like, I would go more on that than the opks. It doesn't look as though you have ov'd yet from your chart so I would keep BD'ing.
I kept getting faint lines all through my cycle this time around, very unusual for me.
Well it's groundhog day for me. Spotting today as expecting, my temp has flat lined which means it will probably be the same tomorrow and then drop.
I just don't know what more I can do to try and get a BFP. BD'd loads at the right time, eat sensibly. Ok I drank a few extra glasses of vino over xmas but none since. Not even yesterday on my birthday.
The weird thing is, the spotting for several days before my AF has only started when we started TTC
Chrissy - I thought you only had to do the 2nd FSH test if you got a positive on the first one. That's the way I read it.
I will get DH to think about doing his test this week then if you need a gap in between time to make sure he's OK for action when we get back to BD'ing.
Don't know what to do now, whether to try agnus castus or not.
morning everyone
sookie - with only have two lower temps it's really difficult to tell if you have OV'd or not. If you had a few more temps that were in that lower range then I would say it was def OV but it could just be a coincidence. I suppose you'll only really know in a few more days time. sorry I'm not much help.
bagpuss - Not sure about the doing the 2nd test... I just thought you had to do them both. I know that it was only a cause for concern if both were positive. I was desparate to poas anyway so that's my excuse....
Kmac - Was the line darker??? if not then it could mean that you are still to OV. if in doubt keep doing OPK's and BDing until you have a definate temps rise. Keep an eye on your CM too as that shouldn't be effected if your poorly.
to everyone else.
My temp has dropped slightly again today so doesn't look like I'm going to have the triphasic chart I was hoping for this month...... never mind.
Me and DH have decided to wait until my AF arrives this weekend before we do his tests. If it doesn't arive and it's good news for me then we can pass the test (unused of course!
) to another home. I think it's more likely that we'll be using it though TBH.....
sookie - with only have two lower temps it's really difficult to tell if you have OV'd or not. If you had a few more temps that were in that lower range then I would say it was def OV but it could just be a coincidence. I suppose you'll only really know in a few more days time. sorry I'm not much help.
bagpuss - Not sure about the doing the 2nd test... I just thought you had to do them both. I know that it was only a cause for concern if both were positive. I was desparate to poas anyway so that's my excuse....
Kmac - Was the line darker??? if not then it could mean that you are still to OV. if in doubt keep doing OPK's and BDing until you have a definate temps rise. Keep an eye on your CM too as that shouldn't be effected if your poorly.
to everyone else. My temp has dropped slightly again today so doesn't look like I'm going to have the triphasic chart I was hoping for this month...... never mind.
Me and DH have decided to wait until my AF arrives this weekend before we do his tests. If it doesn't arive and it's good news for me then we can pass the test (unused of course!
) to another home. I think it's more likely that we'll be using it though TBH.....CB23, I got exactly the same links this cycle. I think once you get to a certain number of charts, it triggers the fertility problems link - charming, eh?!
Bagpuss, I never used to spot either. In fact, I only started spotting with the chem - and then the last AF was only spotting. I don't have any answers but it's very odd.
Kmac, your temps may well have been higher if you were unwell - mine definitely were, which has thrown FF completely. However, you may just be a 'slow rise' person. Some women don't see a rise for a couple of days after ovulation. Wait another couple of days to see what the temps do, but keep BDing just to be sure.
Scones, when DH had to go away on business, I did wake up at 4am in order to BD and went straight back to sleep for a couple of hours! DH said it was a good start to the trip!
Sookie, I am so sorry, I must have just missed your post last night - think I must have just started writing mine when you posted. Anyway, I've looked at your charts and I'm sorry, but to be honest, I don't think you have o'ed yet. It looks like you're in for a long, or possibly anov, cycle this month. We know that travelling can delay ovulation, so it's possible that your holiday has put the o date back by a couple of weeks
It is difficult to be sure, because of the missing temps, but on only 2 days has your temp even reached the coverline of 97.6 from both last cycle and the one before. Although temps can be in a different range from cycle to cycle, all your previous post-O temps have been obviously above 97.6, I don't think the range would have shifted so much that all temps would be below. Having said that, the CD21 and 22 temps from this cycle are quite low for you, though not unheard of. I'm quite interested in the temps from the past 2 days though - it is possible you ov'ed the day before yesterday, though we won't be able to tell for another couple of days. It was quite a big rise taking you up to the coverline... Sorry not to be much help, I'll have another look in a couple of days for you
Bagpuss, I never used to spot either. In fact, I only started spotting with the chem - and then the last AF was only spotting. I don't have any answers but it's very odd.
Kmac, your temps may well have been higher if you were unwell - mine definitely were, which has thrown FF completely. However, you may just be a 'slow rise' person. Some women don't see a rise for a couple of days after ovulation. Wait another couple of days to see what the temps do, but keep BDing just to be sure.
Scones, when DH had to go away on business, I did wake up at 4am in order to BD and went straight back to sleep for a couple of hours! DH said it was a good start to the trip!
Sookie, I am so sorry, I must have just missed your post last night - think I must have just started writing mine when you posted. Anyway, I've looked at your charts and I'm sorry, but to be honest, I don't think you have o'ed yet. It looks like you're in for a long, or possibly anov, cycle this month. We know that travelling can delay ovulation, so it's possible that your holiday has put the o date back by a couple of weeks
It is difficult to be sure, because of the missing temps, but on only 2 days has your temp even reached the coverline of 97.6 from both last cycle and the one before. Although temps can be in a different range from cycle to cycle, all your previous post-O temps have been obviously above 97.6, I don't think the range would have shifted so much that all temps would be below. Having said that, the CD21 and 22 temps from this cycle are quite low for you, though not unheard of. I'm quite interested in the temps from the past 2 days though - it is possible you ov'ed the day before yesterday, though we won't be able to tell for another couple of days. It was quite a big rise taking you up to the coverline... Sorry not to be much help, I'll have another look in a couple of days for you reallyoldmum
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Morning all
Corr what a confusing time we are all having......
Sookie I have to agree with Kitty - I dont think you have OV'd yet - perhaps when you get back into a routine your body will settle down...
OPK can be so confusing especially if you always have some sort of line... I really think someone should invent something we can plug into our tummy buttons that changes colour, firstly for ovulation and then pregnancy....
CB23 and Kitty I got the fluctuating temps one today as well To be honest I cant believe last week I was begging for AF to start - this has been the worst one I can remember...... My stomach cramps are never ending and I am really heavy for me - it doesnt help that I have been told not to use tampons at the moment so I just feel all yukkkkk about it.. and I eventually got around to making an appointment for a smear - its for Thursday so got to cancel that now as I will be in no state for it!!!
Chrissy dont give up hope yet - you are so good for not testing I hope you will be rewarded with that BFP x x x
Corr what a confusing time we are all having......
Sookie I have to agree with Kitty - I dont think you have OV'd yet - perhaps when you get back into a routine your body will settle down...
OPK can be so confusing especially if you always have some sort of line... I really think someone should invent something we can plug into our tummy buttons that changes colour, firstly for ovulation and then pregnancy....
CB23 and Kitty I got the fluctuating temps one today as well
To be honest I cant believe last week I was begging for AF to start - this has been the worst one I can remember...... My stomach cramps are never ending and I am really heavy for me - it doesnt help that I have been told not to use tampons at the moment so I just feel all yukkkkk about it.. and I eventually got around to making an appointment for a smear - its for Thursday so got to cancel that now as I will be in no state for it!!! Chrissy dont give up hope yet - you are so good for not testing I hope you will be rewarded with that BFP x x x
Chrissy still have everything crossed for you.
ROM sorry AF is being such a bitch. I hated using towels after the mc it is so awful after so many years of being used to tampons. Yukk describes it exactly. Lets hope AF goes away soon.
Kitty it really does look like you have ov'd from your temp rise. Will FF recognise it do you think?
Bagpuss I really hope it isn't AF for you.
ROM sorry AF is being such a bitch. I hated using towels after the mc it is so awful after so many years of being used to tampons. Yukk describes it exactly. Lets hope AF goes away soon.
Kitty it really does look like you have ov'd from your temp rise. Will FF recognise it do you think?
Bagpuss
I really hope it isn't AF for you.CB23 - interesting question. I put in another three days of high temps, and it didn't give CH... it gives me CH at the moment using OPK mode, but not research or advanced. I think it might with FAM though - both research and advanced take into account previous cycles. My stats are all over the place. Ov everything from CD7 to CD24, luteal phase everything from 11 to 15 days, overall cycle length everything from 26 (though if I don't get BFP this month, presumably it will be around 21...) to 35.
I might do a bit of playing later! I think if I took out the temps from the cold (which were high), that would help FF recognise it, but I'm also wondering what happens if I merge this cycle with last month's. I'm keen not to, though, cos the doctor told me to come back after one more full cycle, which would be end of this one - but if I merge them, it would be end of next one!
If I get some time later, I will test out different scenarios - it's quite interesting to see how FF responds, as you can work out how it's programmed.
ROM, You're advised to make a smear test appt around ovulation - CD12-16 is what they said to me. My doctor said one week clear of any bleeding or spotting. Because we wanted to TTC, I deliberately made it slightly early, CD11, and that didn't seem to be a problem. At least you know your body's having a good clear-out!
I might do a bit of playing later! I think if I took out the temps from the cold (which were high), that would help FF recognise it, but I'm also wondering what happens if I merge this cycle with last month's. I'm keen not to, though, cos the doctor told me to come back after one more full cycle, which would be end of this one - but if I merge them, it would be end of next one!
If I get some time later, I will test out different scenarios - it's quite interesting to see how FF responds, as you can work out how it's programmed.
ROM,
You're advised to make a smear test appt around ovulation - CD12-16 is what they said to me. My doctor said one week clear of any bleeding or spotting. Because we wanted to TTC, I deliberately made it slightly early, CD11, and that didn't seem to be a problem. At least you know your body's having a good clear-out!What message has it given you about your LP changing? I got a message to say it moved around more than they would expect, but as I think the first full cycle post mc was still upset I have excluded that one. Obviously you can't do that looking at yours, is it suggesting anything?
well, I didn't really have time, but I played anyway
It hasn't said anything at all about the luteal phase changing... the 15-day lp was the chem pg. The 11-day lp was last month when we're not entirely sure when ov was anyway, or even if ov was...
I excluded last cycle from the stats, because the ov day was so uncertain. If I did ov on CD24, that would have been later than any time in the past 9 months - my normal cycle length is 33 days, suggesting ov between CD17 and CD21. But who knows... I could find a reason to exclude every single cycle!
Anyway, I couldn't find a way at all of making FF give me CH for this cycle. Even if I replaced all the early temps with ridiculously low ones - so there was a massive temp shift, which lined up with the CM and +OPK - it didn't give me CH. This suggests that the discarded fever temps aren't actually that relevant, and that it just won't allow that I may have ov'ed on CD7 - it obviously has a minimum trigger day, like CD10, built in. I have temporarily used user override to give myself CH, with a coverline slightly higher than normal (I think the FF ones are artificially low, so you don't panic during the lp!). If my temps go down, that should at least give me some kind of visual guide and I'll remove the CH. It hasn't raised any objections so far though (usually it says 'but CM/OPKs/temps may not agree with this date' if there's a potential discrepancy).
Now I really need to do some work.
p.s. ROM - are you going to merge all your cycles since Aug together? Otherwise your stats are going to give you some funny predictions - guess you don't really know what your lp is, do you?!
It hasn't said anything at all about the luteal phase changing... the 15-day lp was the chem pg. The 11-day lp was last month when we're not entirely sure when ov was anyway, or even if ov was...
I excluded last cycle from the stats, because the ov day was so uncertain. If I did ov on CD24, that would have been later than any time in the past 9 months - my normal cycle length is 33 days, suggesting ov between CD17 and CD21. But who knows... I could find a reason to exclude every single cycle!
Anyway, I couldn't find a way at all of making FF give me CH for this cycle. Even if I replaced all the early temps with ridiculously low ones - so there was a massive temp shift, which lined up with the CM and +OPK - it didn't give me CH. This suggests that the discarded fever temps aren't actually that relevant, and that it just won't allow that I may have ov'ed on CD7 - it obviously has a minimum trigger day, like CD10, built in. I have temporarily used user override to give myself CH, with a coverline slightly higher than normal (I think the FF ones are artificially low, so you don't panic during the lp!). If my temps go down, that should at least give me some kind of visual guide and I'll remove the CH. It hasn't raised any objections so far though (usually it says 'but CM/OPKs/temps may not agree with this date' if there's a potential discrepancy).
Now I really need to do some work.
p.s. ROM - are you going to merge all your cycles since Aug together? Otherwise your stats are going to give you some funny predictions - guess you don't really know what your lp is, do you?!
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Hi Kitty, I did merge the october and november one together but that was before she said she thought it was from the September chemical!! I may just leave it for now and see what this month brings - I'm going to see her tomorrow so I am thinking of all the questions I should ask her - my GP has offered to run all my blood work again if I want and thought I would talk that through with her, also she had mentioned testing my tubes for blockages so I want to see if she is going to do that too..... To be honest we obviously managed to get pregnant so I am more concerned about where my eggs go when they are released!!
I have excluded the october to end december from my stats and the info looks a lot better now - I no longer show green days from cd6 through to cd 33!!
I have excluded the october to end december from my stats and the info looks a lot better now - I no longer show green days from cd6 through to cd 33!!
Afternoon ladies.... guess what???
I've started spotting
Now....I know my temps have dropped the last couple of days after that rise following the dip but they are still above the cover line and my normal post ov temps are between 36.4 and 36.6 which is where they are. Is there any chance that you can get an implantation bleed 2 days after you've had an implantation dip or does a bleed tend to coincide with the same day as the dip???? Or does no-one really know???
I've not had any AF pains at all yet but I am still getting painful bbs and I've not told you all for fear you'd get over excited but I've been really really sleepy and had lower back since about 4dpo....probably from too much lying down and sleeping...
I know I'm probably tomenting myself for nothing but it's been 7 months now and I just really want this TTC bit to be over before I totally convince myself that I don't actually want kids and give up altogether, because I really do want them! Plus Cheri22 said January was my month!!!
I've started spotting
Now....I know my temps have dropped the last couple of days after that rise following the dip but they are still above the cover line and my normal post ov temps are between 36.4 and 36.6 which is where they are. Is there any chance that you can get an implantation bleed 2 days after you've had an implantation dip or does a bleed tend to coincide with the same day as the dip???? Or does no-one really know???
I've not had any AF pains at all yet but I am still getting painful bbs and I've not told you all for fear you'd get over excited but I've been really really sleepy and had lower back since about 4dpo....probably from too much lying down and sleeping...
I know I'm probably tomenting myself for nothing but it's been 7 months now and I just really want this TTC bit to be over before I totally convince myself that I don't actually want kids and give up altogether, because I really do want them! Plus Cheri22 said January was my month!!!
Hi girls
Thanks to those who replied to my panicky post this morning.
The lines I got on the OPKs at the weekend were not as dark as the control line. I have changed them back to negative on ff.
I've got a faint line today after nothing yesterday.
I'm wondering if I should stop charting as I am just getting myself worked up about it.
I suppose I could have missed the surge on the test, and my temp just hasn't risen yet, but I'm just obsessing about it not rising, and nothing happening at all until my next AF.
Thanks to those who replied to my panicky post this morning.
The lines I got on the OPKs at the weekend were not as dark as the control line. I have changed them back to negative on ff.
I've got a faint line today after nothing yesterday.
I'm wondering if I should stop charting as I am just getting myself worked up about it.
I suppose I could have missed the surge on the test, and my temp just hasn't risen yet, but I'm just obsessing about it not rising, and nothing happening at all until my next AF.
