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[Kittykins]

confusion all round this month, eh?

Mildly - I saw your temp dropped again this morning it stays above the coverline, or better still, rises again tomorrow. But can I point out that if you did implant at 11dpo, you wouldn't be producing enough HCG to get a BFP at 13dpo? Not that I want to stop anyone from POAS, but it might be better to wait until after AF is due - when are you expecting it? Your DH sounds so sweet!

Sookie - I can't imagine what my DH would think if he caught me checking my CM! He'd probably raise one eyebrow in a sardonic manner and leave the room quickly!

ROM - did you tell your doctor you'd been taking agnus castus?

On DrugDigest.org (gives info about uses and effects of drugs), it has the following entry for agnus castus:

What side effects should I watch for?


Major Side Effects

Rarely, study participants taking chaste tree berries have reported:

Fast heartbeats
Hair loss
Less Severe Side Effects

Other side effects reported occasionally by individuals taking chaste tree include:

Bleeding between menstrual periods
Dry mouth
Headache
Itching
Nausea
Rash

Implantation bleeding can last 1-2 days, and can be bright red and watery, but it seems far too early for that.

I looked up ovulation bleeding - it seems that FF thinks you can have ov spotting but not actual bleeding, so presumably that's why it's removed the ov data. However, although some resources say ovulation bleeding is pinkish/red spotting, other sites do say it can be bright red/watery flow lasting 1-2 days.

Ovulation bleeding is different from the regular menstrual flow. Ovulation bleeding tends to be pink to red in color. Ovulation bleeding is lighter than menstrual flow. Ovulation bleeding typically will last for one to two days.

A variety of factors can cause ovulation bleeding. For most women who experience ovulation bleeding, the cause is not clear. It may be related to the emergency of follicles. Hormones prompt ovaries to produce around 20 follicles that contain an immature egg, and out of this only one follicle matures. It is during this process of maturing and bursting out from the follicle that pain or bleeding occurs. Ovulation bleeding that is severe or that lasts longer than a couple of days can be a symptom of certain medical conditions, including endometriosis.

Bleeding episodes that are 2 weeks apart suggest that there may be a lack of ovulation altogether. A variety of conditions can cause this, including irritation to the cervix, polyps in the cervix, or polyps in the uterus.

Your health care provider can perform a physical examination of the uterus to help determine the cause of abnormal bleeding. An ultrasound examination or a diagnostic hysteroscopy can help detect sub-mucous fibroids, polyps and other problems. During a diagnostic hysteroscopy, it is possible to remove polyps for examination and take a sample of the uterus lining.

Bleeding during mid-cycle does not indicate menses. If Ovulation Bleeding is severe or long-lasting, and/or are accompanied by pain or acute discomfiture, it may be a sign of a severe problem. However, if the bleeding is extremely mild and short, and is not accompanied by pain and discomfort, it may be completely normal.

By 'feeling unwell' I think your doc might well be implying that if it was left over from m/c, you'd be well on the way to developing septicaemia... yes, you'd definitely know about that! And your basal thermometer wouldn't be much help, you'd be well off its scale!


Seriously - if you didn't mention the agnus castus, I really would tell the doctor, especially as you're now mentioning feeling sick too.



Chrissy - if you BD every other day, that should be absolutely fine and will still give you a very good chance - maybe tonight, but not tomorrow, then again on Friday?. Did you enter today's temp as 'sleep-deprived'?

babydust - we've got some chairs that need painting - want to send your daughter round?!

everyone else - have a great day!

sorry if this post takes up the entire page - it's not me, honest, it's the stuff I copied and pasted!

 

[Chrissy1]

Kittykins your posts are ace... they take up most of my morning. I love them I'm all for more reading and less working..

I never thought about entering the temp as sleep deprived. I will go back and change it so at least it's taken into aco**** and would be picked up as unusual.
Cheers

 

[reallyoldmum]

Oh Kitty you are a star I did mention it to him but as I had only been taking it for 10 days he didnt think it would have had chance to effect my system - having said that its interesting that it mentions bleeding in the side effects - I stopped it yesterday - best leave well alone I think....... Sickness has gone (but I havent told DH yet ) just waiting for him to bring me my lunch...... I wonder if I should change it to spotting rather than light flow???? I'll try and see what it says.

Hmmmmm I wonder if I've missed my chance this month if it was bleeding down to the AG????? oh well only time will tell........

 

[Bagpuss17]

Evening all,

Well we are both all BD'd out, totally pooped

My temps have shot up hugely this morning, so into the 2WW we go.

Agree, Kitty your posts are ace. You know so much on this subject too.

Hope you're feeling much better now ROM.

Everybody else

 

[Mildly]

Hey all

Bagpuss, fingers crossed the 2ww goes quickly for you and results in a BFP

ROM, glad your sickness has gone. I hope it isn't the agnus castus that has caused your bleeding

Kitty, I love your posts, when you get your BFP, you must promise to come back and stalk my chart

Babydust, I hope your little girl painted your chair a nice colour

Chrissy, get BDing girl, I'm sure your DH won't mind if you wear him out this week

sookie, I reckon your DH should be making you dinner I'm glad you got your prediction back Fingers crossed for March.. or before then

Unfortunately AF made it's appearance for real today So here's to all us chart stalkers getting our Christmas BFPs Also today, the cute little baby wrap, that I bought with my sister's new baby in mind, has arrived. I have decided against sending that to her and have bought her the pink version (she is very traditional and I can imagine her refusing to put her little girl in blue ) So my question of the day is: Is it really bad luck to buy/keep an item of clothing from before you are even pregnant? I figure we've been trying for ten months already and not buying any baby clothes hasn't proved particularly lucky so far!

 

[sookie]

Keep the wrap Mildly! You make your own luck in this world, and as you say waiting for 10 months already is not exactly lucky.
We went to New York a month or so ago and I couldn't resist these gorgeous little baby jumpsuits with band prints on them. I bought 2 - one with the Beastie Boys and the other with David Bowie in his Ziggy phase. They are so cute
Mildly, sorry AF arrived. for a Xmas BFP for you. Have you heard from Cheri yet? I fessed up to DH and he wasn't impressed with the 'way I have been spending our money' but he was glad to hear that she says it's a girl. He says he's thinking of taking up internet scamming himself for some easy money.

ROM - I hope that this bleeding sorts itself out. Definitely milk the DH for what you can
Kitty - keep the info coming in! You should have enough material now to switch from a phd in literature to one on ttc
Bagpus - fingers xsed for the 2ww
Chrissie - good luck pinpointing the elusive O date...
Babydust - are you still BDing?

Well my cm is more creamy again today but still no sign of O. I'm really sick of waiting now. Am definitely not gonna chart next month so that I can have a break form all this focus. We are going travelling around Colombia on Monday for a month anyhow so temping would be difficult as I want to sleep in from my usual 5.30am starts

I'm sure I won't be able to resist having a peak though when I log in at Internet cafes... hmm just realised I really shouldn't have bough that fertility friend 3 month subscription Will have to listen to DH talk about more money being wasted... At this rate it's looking like my agnus castus, preeseed and ferning microscope won't even arrive before we leave

 

[Bagpuss17]

So sorry your AF has arrived Mildly. Treat yourself to some wine and chocolate or whatever takes your fancy. Am dreading her paying me a visit. its so disappointing when she shows up.

Sookie, enjoy your travels. Lucky you!

 

[Kittykins]

sookie, you could open a shop with that lot! I know you can suspend longer FF subscriptions - is it worth seeing if you can freeze the rest of yours? Check on Technical FAQ. Shows you how optimistic I was that I went straight for the 12 month option!

ROM - hope you're feeling much better now, and that the bleeding's stopped. Just impressed that you managed to get yesterday's BD in in the morning, first!

Bagpuss - glad you're joining me. I think I'm 4 dpo at the moment. Haven't noticed any symptoms yet, but give me another day or so!

Mildly - really sorry to hear that My view is that I wouldn't buy anything for my own potential baby - my grandmother's Jewish, and though I'm Christian, there are definitely some Jewish traditions that our family maintains. Nothing's coming through our door until after the baby does. HOWEVER, I often buy presents on spec - if I see something really cute, it goes into my 'gift sack' and waits there for a suitable gift-giving opportunity. Occasionally, gifts don't quite get given, but get kept . If I happened to see some really cute baby clothes that might be suitable for a newborn baby, I would quite possibly keep them with the intention of giving them to a friend at an appropriate time...



I went Christmas shopping this evening. I bought the most adorable little clothes for our 6mo niece. I came back and showed them to DH, and he said 'why are you purring like a cat and rubbing your head against me?'! Didn't realise I was... They are sooooo cute though. I spent at least an hour looking at baby stuff (yes, this present actually is going to get given!). Oh, and talking of cats, I bought a cat pencil-sharpener for my brother. You stick the pencil up its backside, and it miaows in protest. He'll love it - he's having a turf war with 5 local cats over their use of his back garden as a public lavatory.

This obviously has nothing to do with TTC, but explains why I was absent from the computer all evening. No, I wasn't working...

 

[sookie]

Kitty - my DH is Jewish. Now he's worried god is punishing us. Me for being a shicksa who refuses to convert and him for letting me buy the baby clothes

I'm not superstitious. I figure if we don't get pregnant it seems highly unlikely it was because of the jumpsuits sitting in the cupboard...

Your shopping sounds fun though! We don't do Christmas, and he skimps on the channukah pressies

 

[babydust]

sorry af got you mildly oh and i now have a white and red chair
sookie that sounds good, make sure you find an internet cafe
and i have only started bd'ing again this month, i think i will be walking like rom by next week
well im off to bed before dh falls asleep

 

[reallyoldmum]

OK I give in - still bleeding this morning can only imagine now this is AF after 5 days!!! what is going on?????? Not sure what to do with my chart - I feel really low about the whole thing it is getting me very down spent most of yesterday sleeping and both my DH and Mum kept on telling me I looked "bloody awful"!!!

Do you think I should start a new chart? Not even sure how to do that...... Oh well best ask guides on FF they will know.....

Sorry to be so miserable ladies but feel like crawling into a corner and crying - so much for a December BFP!!!!

 

[CB23]

ROM how awful for you. Are you due back on docs for test results on Monday still? If you start to feel worse I would go back. I wouldn't start a new chart just yet but other than that I don't know what to suggest. More hugs

Mildly sorry AF got you

Hi to Sookie, Kitty, Claire, Chrissy

Well we have bd'd daily for 5 days and after a +ve OPK on Tuesday I thought I could have a rest no EWCM anymore but really a big temp rise though then again this months temps have been all over the place

 

[Kittykins]

Sookie, you really do get the worst of both worlds, don't you?! My Jewish friends here celebrate both Christmas and Chanukah - the first as a family and national holiday, the second as a religious festival. Lots of presents all round. Tell your DH to pull his finger out and get the present situation sorted! As for superstition, I don't believe in it either. Neither do I believe that God would punish a woman for liking a baby-gro and hoping that her own baby might wear it one day. As I understand it, it's more to do with avoiding disappointment/mental anguish, and though the tradition dates back to times when pregnancy and childbirth was considerably more dangerous, I think it still has a point and nothing is certain. I can't imagine the awfulness of returning home to a fully-fitted nursery and no baby.

ROM, if the bleeding hasn't stopped by this afternoon, I think you should go back to the doctor's That would be 48 hours. They might need to send you for a scan. You don't mention pain or anything, which is good, and I assume it's still bright red, so it's not anything left from the mc. Don't worry about your chart - just keep entering the data as normal. If necessary, you can split a cycle in two later on (I'll tell you how to if you don't know), but I'm not convinced this is AF. We're not even in December yet, so don't give up on that December BFP

CB23, the rise looks good! I've interpreted my own temps to mean we can stop BDing too. Actually, I just couldn't face it any more, and figureed if we missed it this month, we'd try again next.

babydust - why don't you get your daughter to redecorate the rest of the room to match? Sounds like cafe chic!

to everyone else!

I think my chart is pointing more and more to a CD18 ov date, regardless of the CBEFM and OPKs. I'm not testing on the CBEFM any more - thought I'd give it a couple of extra days, but the helpline lady said it would keep asking me for sticks until I get AF or a Peak, and that's about £15 down the loo if I've already ov'ed. I think this cycle's a bit of a bust, so I'm just sitting it out. Not bothered about it - it means I can have a few pre-Xmas drinks, and it looks like I might ov again on the 23rd or 24th Dec, which would be perfect BD timing. DH says if it's later, we'll just send the parents out on a long walk, claiming we need to prepare the food, and 'do a different kind of stuffing instead'. Oh, he's so romantic.

I'm not bothered about low temps any more though - the low post-O temps are only low if ov was CD14. They rocket upwards from CD18 on...

 

[reallyoldmum]

Morning Kitty - I think you did OV on CD18 - you have had a consistant rise since then. Bedding around then looks excellent.

I have just been saying to Dave that if I am still bleeding tomorrow I will go back to the doctors - I am not in any unusual pain - have had a few AF type cramps but they are really low in my uterus. Just worked out on the fertility map if this is AF then my test date would be 25th December!!! How awful would that be

 

[Chrissy1]

Morning all

Kitty - looking at your cycle it is looking more likely that CD18 was your OV date but hopefully you got plenty of BDing around that time.

ROM - sorry to hear you're still bleeding Hopefully it will stop for you in a day or so. When the doc says I has a 'mid-cycle bleed' that lasted for 7 days. Usually my AF only lasts for 5 so it was slightly longer. Hope you're feeling well again soon

Babydust - Get BDing girl...... hope to hear you're the new John Wayne in a week or so..

Sookie - I'm with you on thinking that it's highly unlikely that you won't get pregnant because you've bought baby clothes!!

CB23 - That rise def looks like a post OV rise to me. Looks like you can have a rest at last.

As for me......well my temp is still low compared to last months post OV temps but it has gone up a bit from yesterday's temp but seeing as I'd been awake an hour and half before I took yesterday's I might discount it later on in my cycles. I've still not had a positive OPK and I'm still getting EWCM so I'm thinking I might still OV in the next couple of days as planned. Only thing is....I'm still getting over my cold. I've got a constant headache because I'm so bunged up with phlegm and I'm snivilling all the time which is really making me not feel like BDing!!!

Saying that I'm one of those tough northern girls and I'm still doing it for the girls on here hoping I'll be one of the ones getting a birthday/christmas BFP!!!

Just realised that my testing date is two weeks this weekend which means it's just over two weeks to my birthday.........and presents!!


to everyone else.

 

[reallyoldmum]

Hi Chrissy, when you had mid cycle bleeding did you then have AF 28 days later? Cant get my head around this - or did you get your normal AF a few days later??? Sorry to be a pain .....

 

[Chrissy1]

Hi Rom.... I got my next AF 28 days later.

It was very bizzare because the AF before had been quite short (3 days) and quite light. I just looked at it as a good sign because it meant I could get back to BDin sooner...

About 3 - 4 days before OV I was getting period pains and I actually said to my DH that if I wasn't so far away from my next AF I would swear I was about to come on. Then on the day that I was due to OV I started to bleed!!!! I went the docs because I hadn't got a clue what was happening and he said it was a mid-cycle bleed and it's one of those things that just happens sometime but usally goes unnoticed because people don't follow their cycles so closely. It lasted for a couple of days longer than my usual AF and it was quite heavy, very red and basically just like the worst AF EVER!!!

when it stopped I just went through a normal cycle and got a positive OPK at CD15 (counted day 1 bleeding as CD1) and my AF came 28 days later.

Very wierd!!

 

[Kittykins]

ROM - if you do a search on the FF chart gallery for mid-cycle spotting, there are quite a few there. I did a search for pregnancy charts, on the grounds that they would be 'normal' ones, and to see whether 'normal' charts could have midcycle spotting. I found lots. The very first page of results even found two with seven consecutive days of spotting around ovulation, which resulted in pregnancy.

This doesn't necessarily mean anything for you, but it should give you some reassurance that a) mid-cycle spotting can be perfectly normal, b) it can last a day or a few days, and c) it is possible to get pregnant - even in the same cycle.

Hope this helps you relax a bit! Perhaps you should take it easy today - maybe go for a walk and get some fresh air, if it's not raining?



Chrissy - looks like it could be a pre-ov dip?

 

[CB23]

Hey ROM just to say I have had mid cycle bleeding in the past - it was at a stressful time for me following the death of my uncle, aunt and cousin in a house fire. The doctor said that it can be brought on by stress. I was only 20 at the time so obviously never asked what it would mean if I was ttc. My period always came as normal I just had a few days of red bleeding mid month. This lasted 2-3 months as I recall.

Sure enough about a year ago I was stressing myself out over a promotion to partner at work and I got a mid-cycle bleed for one month.

Its just a thought but how are you feeling stress wise after everything you have been through? I know that is a really stupid question because obviously you feel low but if you think it may be stress related then it may give you pointers?

Sorry if my post has been more of a than a help.

 

[Chrissy1]

Yeah... I thought pre OV dip too but I haven't had a positive OPK yet so I don't know. Last month my pre OV temps were all below 36.2 and over 36.4 after OV and I had a pre OV dip on the day of OV to 35.9. I'm still only 35.57 this morning so I'm still going to keep BDing so I don't miss it.

ROM - The doctor did also say to me that stress can cause the bleed which goes along with what CB23 says. Only thing for me was that the only thing I was stressed about was TTC He did say that it was nothing to worry about though