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[reallyoldmum]

A couple of weeks ago it was all over the news that the odd glass of wine wasnt bad for pregnant women so I think half a glass and lots of water will be fine Kitty Sometimes its just nice to do something like that - I know before all this ttc lark me and DH would share a bottle (or 2) in an evening and just sit and talk - not such an exciting conversation with him drinking all the wine and me on squash!!

Doctor said the results will be back in 48 hours - its just to check for progesterone - to see if I have actually ovulated well??? Not sure what that means - I suppose they can tell the quality of the egg from your progesterone levels....... Feel like asking her to do a beta as well, atleast that would stop me wanting to poas!! Dont think they would at 7 dpo though and not even sure it would show anything anyway. Next test will be at CD3 to check FSH levels - this is the big one for me I think as it shows what the quality and quantity of your egg supply is........

 

[Kittykins]

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understan ... /test.html

lots of useful info on tests on this site...

According to the same source, some methods of the beta test can detect as early as one week after conception. You can bet your life they don't use those methods in the NHS though. And one week after conception is going to be about 8 or 9 dpo, assuming that by 'conception' they mean 'fertilisation' rather than 'implantation'. So prob not much point asking!

There's also stuff on the FSH test too - worth a look if you want to know more.

A friend of mine lives in Paris. When she got pg, she went to the doc's, and after he confirmed the pg, he gave the French pg guidelines. 'Cut down to no more than 2 or 3 glasses of red wine per day'.

 

[reallyoldmum]

Don't you just love the French!! I once conducted an assessment centre interview in Paris for a sales engineer - we had to schedule 3 hours for lunch!! No joke we (all 16 of us including candidates) went to a restaurant and the wine flowed - it was amazing - needless to say I cant actually remember which candidate got the job!! The rest of the afternoon was just a haze.

Thanks for the details of that site - it was very interesting - I thought they wouldnt be able to do a pregnancy one but I may discuss with her my symptoms - If I dont appear back on here this afternoon you know they have admitted me to the local mental hospital!! DH is sick of being asked to look at my "lady lumps"!!! He has suggested that I take a photo when I have AF and then I have something to compare to.......... God men just dont understand do they......

 

[Flick]

Morning girls, no AF yet ....... DH went down with flu this morning, so no work for him (how nice to have him at home ) He did mention that it was good timing as it was AF week but little does he know.

Best of luck with your tests ROM, I do hope it goes well.

Kitty, I knew you would give in and I definatley think Red Wine is better for you!!! (or thats what DH tells me)

Hi Sookie, how are you? I think you are in an enviable situation, at least you can look forward to BD'ing and plan for next month

 

[Kittykins]

Flick, am I that predictable?!

Oh dear, a sick DH around the house is never a good thing!

Well, at least your temps are consistent - and they're staying the same. How come your chart doesn't show number of DPO? I have to count the dots each time! Did you test again, and just not want to share or trust the result at the moment, or did you decide not to test until a particular day?

Next month I'm not going to test until at least 16dpo.

 

[sookie]

Hi Everyone,

Kitty - what's the deal with AF? I wouldn't worry about the wine. Even Australian doctors these days are saying a glass of red a day is ok It's nice to get medical advice that is what you want to hear!

When I was a teen I lived in France for a year and we used to get a 2 hour lunch break for school! We used it wisely though - studying, going to library, exercising There was a lot of coffee and beer drunk at the local cafe

Good luck with the tests ROM.

Flick - I agree that your chart is still looking good. And, yes, I am feeling really good about this month now and am looking forward to 'another chance'.

Have any of you heard of "Herbs for Her"? These herbal supplements for ttcers?

http://www.tryingtoconceive.com/hfhworks.htm

There are different types and combos for different problems (or im my case possible problems that DH thinks I shouldn't think about). I emailed the woman who makes them and she recommended the number 6/7 combo which is to bring on menses - regulate cycle, and to restore ovarian balance since my cycle is long and irregular. They sound great but are really expensive and I just don't know if I should risk the financial outlay for something that might not work, or that I might not really need.

What do you think?

 

[tots hope]

Morning girls, no AF yet ....... DH went down with flu this morning, so no work for him (how nice to have him at home ) He did mention that it was good timing as it was AF week but little does he know.quote]

Man flu is pretty serious you know, im sure he will have ytou running around after him for about a week!

Any news yet Flick - have you decided not to test yet until AF is due which im thinking is tomorrow?

 

[Kittykins]

Sookie - on your FF profile, you say you're 29 and you've been ttcing since July. Given you have long cycles, I'd guess that's either 3 or 4 complete cycles? And you came off BCP just 2 months before, so the cycles haven't yet settled down?

Personally, in your situation, I wouldn't mess with my body - at least until the BCP hormones were safely out of my system.

FWIW, I came off the BCP around May 2006. I had a withdrawal period immediately, then another period in July/August, then October, then December (didn't keep exact records of dates until Dec, but they were around 65-70 day cycles on ave). Since Dec, my cycles have been 56, 50, 39, 33, 43, 33, and 33 days long. I'm on CD 33 of this cycle right now, with AF any minute. Clearly it took my body 5 cycles to get to within the normal range (<42 days), but it looks like they're settling down now.

So if you've had 4-6 cycles since coming off BCP, your body is only just beginning to recover from the onslaught of chemical hormones you've been chucking at it for years. You don't yet know whether you naturally have long cycles, or whether it's still the effect of the BCP. I would be wary of chucking more stuff into the mix right now - you could end up with 20-day cycles, or shortening your luteal phase, and your doc wouldn't know whether there was an underlying prob or whether it was the pills.

At 0, with no known problems, statistically you have a very good chance of conceiving within 6 cycles. Wait another 3 cycles, if you still don't have a BFP and you're still worried, ask your doc's advice. If you take the herbs and then see your doc, you may well find he tells you to go away and try 6 months au naturel before he'll see you again.

 

[Little miss pink]

Hey chart stalkers

For those of you that have seen my other post.

I just really cannot understand how i could of conceived haveing not BD'd near any significant temp rise.

It just doesn't make any sense and i am really confused

Would you charter stalking experts take a quick look for me to see if you can see when you think i might have ovulated because i still have no crossed lines but a BFP?

 

[reallyoldmum]

I'm no expert Littlemisspink but looking at your chart you didnt temp between CD 100 and 107 - your lowest ever temp was just on 35.90 so in those 7 days you could have dropped down to that and had 3 rises to indicate ovulation?????

That would make you maybe 18 or 19 dpo which I think you tests look like - they are so strong I cant see that you are only 12 dpo or so.

That would be my best guess but as I say I am no expert and there are lots of them on here that will probably give you much better advice.

Regardless of this I hope all will be well for you, try not to worry too much and enjoy this wonderful feeling x x x x x

 

[Kittykins]

Hi LMP - did you see my reply on your other thread? I reckon probably CD 106/7 [edited, sorry, my mistake] with a slow rise temp shift (difficult to tell with missing temps), and your DH has super-sperm, which survived for 3 or 4 days.

Did you actually update the FF chart every day, whether or not you were temping? E.g. if you noticed CM, did you update immediately, even if you hadn't temped that day? Or did you only check CM if you were also checking temps, or perhaps fill in 'yesterday's' CM when you next logged on? How did you check CM - when you wiped, if you saw it on your knickers, or with your fingers?

All sorts of things COULD have happened - you may have recorded the BDing or the CM a day out, perhaps, or missed CM because you weren't really looking, having given up. The stuff I've read points out that if you wait till the CM shows on your underwear, it could be a day later than if you'd checked with your fingers (which is why you should use the same method each time). If you check when you wipe, it would be easy to forget or even just not notice. So it's entirely possible that your EWCM was a day earlier than you thought, or that you actually had EWCM for 3 days but didn't notice as there wasn't very much.

I guess by CD100+ of a cycle, you get a bit bored of checking fertility signs every day and it's much easier to make mistakes than when you're on CD 12!

 

[sookie]

Flick - thanks for the advice. You are probably right that I should wait to see what happens with my cycles. It's just that before my 5 years of BCP my cycles were never regular either - they were the same as they are now - 35 to 45 days long. And when I was a teen they were even longer - about 6 months or so. This is why I'm wondering if herbal medicine might be a good idea.

 

[Kittykins]

like wot rom says!

though I'm not an expert either, of course. The date of around CD106/7 as the latest would make you 15/16 DPO. I'd guess you're somewhere between 15 and 17 dpo.

 

[Little miss pink]

Hi LMP - did you see my reply on your other thread? I reckon probably CD 106/7 [edited, sorry, my mistake] with a slow rise temp shift (difficult to tell with missing temps), and your DH has super-sperm, which survived for 3 or 4 days.

Did you actually update the FF chart every day, whether or not you were temping? E.g. if you noticed CM, did you update immediately, even if you hadn't temped that day? Or did you only check CM if you were also checking temps, or perhaps fill in 'yesterday's' CM when you next logged on? How did you check CM - when you wiped, if you saw it on your knickers, or with your fingers?

All sorts of things COULD have happened - you may have recorded the BDing or the CM a day out, perhaps, or missed CM because you weren't really looking, having given up. The stuff I've read points out that if you wait till the CM shows on your underwear, it could be a day later than if you'd checked with your fingers (which is why you should use the same method each time). If you check when you wipe, it would be easy to forget or even just not notice. So it's entirely possible that your EWCM was a day earlier than you thought, or that you actually had EWCM for 3 days but didn't notice as there wasn't very much.

I guess by CD100+ of a cycle, you get a bit bored of checking fertility signs every day and it's much easier to make mistakes than when you're on CD 12!

Thanks Kittykins

your right by CD100+ i had given up all hope and practically not bothered temping but on the days i recorded the temps they were on the correct day and on the day i recorded EWCM i had noticed a slight change on my knickers then checked with my fingers and i recorded it straight away incase it was a sign of OV. I had kind of decided not to bother recording anything unless it was significant. The only memory i have is that the two temps that are together after the BDing i did take but i couln't remember exactly what they were just that they were not raised so i just entered them at my average but they certainly weren't raised because i'd have noticed because i was waiting and hoping for signs of Ovulation

I am testiment to anyone with long cycles to keep on temping because no matter how long your cycles are there is always a chance. I wish so so much now that i had temped every day!!

LMP x

 

[Kittykins]

Ok, I need some advice now.

12DPO: 3 pinky-brown spots on tissue, <5mm diameter. Farrow & Ball 'Mouse's Back', I reckon - I'm getting designer spotting!

13DPO: nothing

14DPO: More Mouse's Back, when wiping. One instance.

15DPO (today): one dark brown spot on liner. 2 instances of pale brown discharge when wiping, with a couple of darkish brown clots.


Is this normal? Normally my periods start with a bang - I go to the loo, and there it is, lots of dark red blood. Last month for the first time I had what I thought was spotting for a couple of days before my period in that it was a light flow that didn't require more than a liner - but it was definitely AF. This is nothing like it. I tried googling brown spotting, and I'm scared. All I could find was that it could be pg (well, not with the number of BFNs I've had!), or it could be low progesterone. Looking at my temps, and the fact that it's now 15dpo (so I obviously don't have a short luteal phase), it surely can't be that? Last month's lp was 13 days, including the light patchy flow that was def AF but not enough to require tampon/pad.

I'm still feeling a bit nauseous, but not as much - no AF cramps yet, but maybe the nausea is minor cramping or something?

My temp has been going down - but not below the coverline, and the rate of decrease has slowed - today's temp was same as yesterday's. CAUTION: my temps are all inaccurate because of sleep deprivation.

Finally, I should say that for the past three days the internet cheapies have had extremely faint lines. I'd assumed they were more evaps. They're not getting darker, so not BFPs, sadly. I might post pics in a bit, to see if anyone else has had similar. The lines are so faint that you have to stare to see them - but they pass the DH test.

My thoughts, in order of probability, were:
1) evaps
2) these test at 10mi. The normal non-preg woman has <5mi. Is it possible I normally have, say, 4mi anyway, so the tests are picking up on it? No other HPT has shown any line at all.
3) indication of pg but sth's going/gone wrong.

please help me! Starting to wonder if I should see the doc.

 

[Bagpuss17]

Hi,

Room for a newbie?

I'm on my 2nd month of TTC with #2 and am charting this month.

Kitty, do you know what your normal LP is? It could just be that you need to leave it another day/two for the tests to pick up a BFP. Maybe get a clearblue/first response early detection test.

 

[Flick]

Hi Bagpuss17, welcome to the group, The more the merrier. We are getting quite a few new members here and I'm sure charting will soon become adictive for you

 

[sookie]

Kitty - I think that there's a possibility that you could be pregnant. Why don't you go and get a blood test at the doctors. I would if it was me. I read a post from a woman who kept getting BFNs, went to the doctor and her count was 200 and something. Other women don't show up till 18DPO. It can't hurt to go and get a doctor's test.

Hi Bagpus! I'm a newbie too!

 

[Flick]

First of all Kitty, you are that predictable I know how much you wanted that glass of wine

Talking of alcohol, I was advised by my specialist (I have a neurological condition) told me a mild intake of alcohol was good for my condition, Not many doctors tell you that

Still no AF for me, I'm just hoping I have gone back to a 14 day LP (as it says in my ticker) instead of 11LP like it has been for the past three months.

Good luck to everyone

 

[Bagpuss17]

Hi all

I have charted once, the month I got pg with my son. You can see my chart if you follow the link. I did have a couple of glasses of wine in the TTW it didn't affect my chances of conceiving. A small glass won't hurt!

Flick, I know all about short LP. Mine varies from month to month. The last 2 I've started spotting on day 10 and AF day 11. The month prior to that it was about 13 days.

I took Evening Primrose Capsules as I'd read in a Zita West book that they were beneficial for boosting progesterone levels. They completely screwed my cycles up, both went up to 38/39 day cycles and I ovulated late.

This month I'm taking no supplements other than folic acid and I'm hoping things will settle down again.

Kitty - please buy a tesco/clearblue early pregnancy test tomorrow. I'm sure it's going to be good news for you.