Chart Stalkers March 2008

[Loola]

Happy Easter everyone

Kmac - glad the spotting has stopped, could well have been ovulatory and yep Id definitely say the high temps were due to illness.

Im so confused about what is going on with me. I was certain my temps would have got higher today but they havent. All of the other signs have pointed to the fact that Ive ovulated, my CM has dried up, I had pains on Thursday night, I had really positive OPKs on Thurs and Fri, and now my OPKs are completely negative, but no temp rise.

Nothing stressful has happened to me so I dont think there is any reason why ovulation would be delayed. It seems really strange. All my fertile signs happened when I expected them to, around the same time as previous months. Perhaps my body geared up for ovulation but it the egg was not released? but then what was the ovulaiton pain all about? That would just be my luck, have the most sex this month ever and my body decides not to release an egg.

Im probably being hysterical as always I think I ovulated on day 17 and Im just having low temps this month. This is my punishment for being chilled out!

 

[kmac]

Hi Loola

Maybe you have ov'd if you had all the signs?
I'm a bit stumped!

My own optimism was rather short-lived as I just had some fresh looking blood in the loo. It seemed to mainly ome out in a blob (maybe it was mucous) so I couldn't really see (we've got one of those blue blocks in the cistern!) and when i wiped there was some, although not as much as I would expect with AF.

Should I count this as the start of a new cycle or go by my temps?
I am all worried again.

 

[Kittykins]

What a weird month it's turning out to be for so many of us! I blame the full moon on Friday night, which was the vernal equinox...

kmac - it does look like it was ovulatory bleeding, but the high temps are a little odd - that may just be coincidence. If it happens again, you should get your doctor to check you out. Mid-cycle bleeding is fairly common (you can do a FF chart gallery search using that term) but causes other than ovulation include cervical erosion and tiny tears caused during intercourse. Some women find they are more prone to spotting around the time of ovulation simply because they're having more sex.

loola - hmmmmmmmmmm. I would carry on BDing anyway - it may well be that ovulation has just been postponed for some reason. However, you could also consider the possibility that you have ovulated but your post-O temps just aren't as high as usual. This could be because of the cold weather, or simply that this month's ovulation isn't as strong - it's bound to happen from time to time. I had a really odd cycle in Dec 07 (should be on my homepage) where it looks like I probably ovulated because the temps finished higher than they started, but it's by no means certain - and ov would have been later than usual. It's frustrating when it happens, but sometimes our ovaries' quality control process slips up and they send out a less than perfect egg - maybe not fully mature or sth. Anyway, you could tentatively do a manual override, and place the coverline at 97.55 and the O-day as 17, and see how it goes, but it's not very satisfactory for several reasons. Personally I think it more likely your body geared up for it, decided it wasn't quite the right time, and has paused for breath. You may find you get the fertile signs again in a few days... it's difficult to tell for sure, and as I wrote yesterday, it is absolutely normal to get one or two anov cycles a year, albeit frustrating when it happens.


I'm also having a frustrating time. I'm still getting pre-AF dark spotting, exactly as I would have expected - and I'm anticipating full AF later today. However, my temp, which should have gone down this morning, went UP - to the highest it's been this cycle. Even if I used the temp corrector for my temps taken early, it's still the highest. Yesterday's temp was 36.46 taken at 5:30; the adjusted temp would have been 36.52 and today's temp was 36.62. I'm definitely not ill, and that's not so high as to be a fever temp anyway. It's so annoying. Especially because if AF does come in full today, rather than tomorrow, today will be CD1 of the next cycle, and having a high temp at the beginning screws my coverline!

Why oh why is nothing ever simple?

Oh well, I suppose if the coverline was going to be screwed, it might as well be on a cycle in which there's going to be no BDing anyway. Poor DH's bits are swollen and purple from the op, and really sore. Still, I've found an excellent way of teasing him. I have placed mini G&B easter eggs all over the floor, where he can see them but can't reach them - he can't bend over!

Happy Easter to all, and in the absence of baby eggs, here's wishing you lots of choccie ones!

 

[Kittykins]

kmac - you posted as I was typing! I'd wait for a while, use a liner, and then make a decision at the end of the day. The FF definition of CD1 is full red flow requiring a tampon or towel, i.e. more than a liner.

Maybe your body's now moving to a pattern of one long, one short, rather than two long, two short... and then hopefully those will even out to medium!

Perhaps see what happens over the next couple of days and then book an appt with your doctor? You can't do anything today and tomorrow anyway...

 

[kmac]

Sorry it's looking complicated for you too Kitty.. Maybe it's implantation???

I think I might visit the doctor this week.
Will wait and see how the rest of today goes.

I guess if the spotting/bleeding whatever the hell it is stops then it might not be AF and there would still be a chance...
I just feel sick now

 

[Kittykins]

it's a nice thought but not this late, unfortunately, I think. I had a look at FF charts showing implantation spotting and the proportion of pg charts showing spotting at 11 & 12 dpo is very low. Realistically, it's 99% likely to be AF and 1% if that to be pg The temp is probably a fluke...

 

[reallyoldmum]

everyone and a very Happy Easter.

Well still no change for me - no AF, all pains disappeared and definately no symptoms!!

We only actually managed one night of camping - arrived on Thursday afternoon, tent got blown out of our hands as we were putting it up and onto a barbed wire fence so had to tape on of the bedroom walls together!! Just about managed to get it up but when we went back to the tent after an evening spent in my brothers nice warm caravan one of the bedrooms had already blown down. Josh decided to spend the night in his car and Dave, Han and I climbed into bed at about 1.00 am. At 2.30 we were woken by the sound of splintering tent poles - and my and Dave's bedroom calapsed...... Dave ended up attaching the guyropes to the car and me, Dave and Han squeezed into the one remaining bedroom - 3 adults on one blow up bed was no fun but to be honest the wind was so high that we just lay there waiting for the tent to blow down.
When the sleet and snow started at 5.00 am we gave in and got up and emptied the tent (or what was left of it.....!!!!).

Anyway to cut a long story short we headed for home after breakfast with my brother and his family and got back about 12.00 noon Friday..... £120 down on campsite fees and also one ruined tent!!

We have had a nice weekend though - lots of eating and drinking and just sitting around playing cards and chilling......

Just going to have a nap and then off out for dinner again tonight with my Mum and Dave's parents diet starts Tuesday.......

Sorry to hear everyone is having issues with their cycles.... I will happily take your bleeding for you cycle day 71 and counting.......

 

[Kittykins]

sounds like a very British holiday, ROM! What a washout... At least you managed to salvage some of the weekend...

This cycle sounds like a complete nightmare - I can't even begin to guess what's going on with you. Are you going back to see your doctor? There's something they can give you to bring on your period, isn't there? I read somewhere that they will do this after a certain amount of time with no bleeding just to keep everything healthy - but I don't know much about it.



Well, it's now all over for me


I'm feeling quite sorry for myself, though there's no particular reason why I should have got pregnant this month. Anyway, I'm now reviewing all my past charts, and I was thinking that maybe I should run the 03 December and 07 January charts together? I had two days of light bleeding, and endless spotting, but I don't really think I ovulated in December, or had a period. This was the cycle after the one following the chem pg, and although the temps show I ovulated in November, neither the OPKs nor the CBEFM picked up an LH surge in Nov or Dec. The problem is that at the moment the Dec and Jan charts screw my stats massively.

If anyone has any thoughts on this, let me know. I may go ahead and do it anyway to see how it looks, I can always change it back!

 

[kmac]

Well I'm with you Kitty, it's all over for me too!
This is definitely AF

To be honest I would rather it was a short cycle than unexplained bleeding - if that makes any sense. Am I right to feel this way?

I have no idea if i ov'd or not... guess it doesn't matter now!

I am going to count yesterday as Day 1 as if i'm brutally honest what i had last night is what I would normally count as the start of AF. I just didn't want to admit that to myself last night.
It's a good job I was describing every little thing on here, so I remember what happened!!

I could start worrying about my cycles now, but there are a few factors which may have had something to do with it. This cycle I have been on UTI antibiotics and had this flu thing, and also in January I had the flu and was suffering with the UTI... that was my last 21 day cycle. So maybe there is something in that? Also, this cycle i had the stress of 2 job interviews so that may also have had an effect.
I suppose when you look at it there are lots of factors that can impact on your cycle, so there is no point making myself ill over it.

I think I will go and have a chat with the doc anyway. I expect she will just send me away and tell me to keep trying, but that's fine, I will feel better for it. I might as well take advantage of this 2 week holiday and get an appointment with the doctor i actually like (almost love - she got rid of my recurring UTI!!).

Am i being reasonable? I need to rationalise all this in my head so i can relax and enjoy the next couple of days with DH who has taken time off work to spend with me. He really shouldn't have to look at me in a state!!

I feel quite teary now...... bloomin AF!!!

ROM - sounds like you had an interesting time!! Nice to be with your family though, and I hope something happens with your cycle soon.

Kitty, will go and read your previous post and look at your chart in a bit. Maybe now I can think about other people's chart and not just my own!!
DH has just brought me tea & cakes (bless) so I am off to stuff my face first!

Hugs to everyone
xx

 

[rach]

rom sorry about your camping trip hun typical bloody british weather sorry your cycle still not settled too hun hope you get some answers soon

kitty sorry the witch got you hun just been looking at your charts and not sure what you mean in your last post (im a bit thick) what did you mean when you said about it messing your stats up

arggghghhhhhh i was determined i was not going to be obsessed with ttc this time round but i cant help it ive been obsessing all month about my ovulation and now only 5 days into the 2 ww im already desperate to POAS i cant because ive not bought any last time i was ttc i was buying them in batches of 50 off access diagnostics it got that bad that i was going through the bins looking for the ones id done day before to check a bfp hadnt arrived late
i am def not buying them off internet this time round im going to hold off as long as i can then if needed il buy 1 from town xxxxxxxx

 

[rach]

kmac just realised i must have been typing when you did your last post sorry af got you hun xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[Kittykins]

kmac - Oh well, at least there's plenty of chocolate around... Gotta look on the bright side of life! Take your charts with you when you see your doctor. Even if she doesn't believe in charting, it's much easier for her to see what's happening if you stick the paper in front of her.


Rach, I may have already edited my charts by the time you looked! I now have one very long (53 days) cycle, which was previously two charts. About 2/3 of the way through, I had about 10 days of light spotting and one day of (very) light bleeding. As soon as you enter light menses rather than spotting, FF automatically starts a new cycle. However, I really wasn't convinced that the one day of light bleeding was a period, or that I had ovulated before that bleeding - I think it was breakthrough spotting/bleeding. It was the second cycle after my chem pg, and tbh, I think the hormones were just all over the place. Anyway, as two charts, it gave me a luteal phase of either 8 or 12 or 19 days (depending on detection method) on the first (anovulatory, IMO) chart and ovulation on CD7 on the 2nd chart, which is quite frankly ridiculous. Merging the two together means I finally ovulated on CD42, as suggested by EWCM and the +OPK, and confirmed by a temp rise, and had an 11-day luteal phase - which seems to be my norm. I've excluded the one long cycle from my stats, so now the cycle predictor is giving me forward ovulation predictions of CD16-20 in any cycle, which I would agree with. Before, it was estimating that I could ovulate any day between CD7 and CD28 - which meant I was using up a hell of a lot of OPKs!

Basically I've done bugger all else this afternoon... but at least my charts look more logical!!!

Still, it's very frustrating knowing we don't get another shot now till June - so no chance of a baby before March 2009 at the very earliest On the other hand, I have a couple of months to concentrate on my work, and I really need to do that, I've had a massively stressful 6 months. Maybe that's why we haven't conceived yet... I'm going to see if DH wants a baby enough to let me have a fortnightly massage

 

[rach]

ahhh i understand what your on about now kitty im a bit slow lol
going to curl up on sofa and watch ice age on tv never seen it and oldest son says its really funny am armed with huge cup of coffee and even bigger easter egg (ty m.i.l.)
hope everyones having a relaxing day xxxxxxxxxx

 

[kmac]

I don't feel very relaxed have spent the last 2 hours on the net deciding that I have a variety of things wrong with me.
I actually feel physically ill now I have got myself in such a state and seem to be losing sight of the fact I know I did ovulate in the cycle before this one.
I just can't figure out why I didn't this time (although I have been ill, on antibiotics and stressed!!).

Please someone give me a slap!!

 

[Kittykins]

have a instead!

It sounds like your cycles are taking a while to settle down after BCP. I'm sure your doctor will be able to help. If you take the graph in showing the variations in length (may be a bit extreme, but it does at least show that you've kept records and they've varied a lot!) she may be able to do some blood tests asap just to put your mind at rest. It's extremely unlikely indeed that there's anything wrong with you - although your cycles vary, they are not REALLY abnormal - they're all 20-40 days long, ie within 5 days of 'average' (25-35). It's not like you get a period one week, another the next, and then nothing for 6 months. It's more inconvenient and frustrating than serious, I suspect. Keep charting - it's really helpful - but make sure that you note on your chart when you are ill, or have a UTI, and if you take any medicines. It may just be that sth suppresses ovulation.

Try to make the best of the rest of your holiday and don't worry too much - easier said than done, I know, but you've only charted for three cycles and for two of those you've been ill...

 

[kmac]

thanks (again) Kitty
I just feel like having a good
Think i will go to bed soon, and hopefully feel a bit better in the morning.

 

[Kittykins]

you could do what I'm doing and open a good bottle of wine instead!

Funny how the world seems a better place when you've a couple of glasses of vino inside you! I've even come up with 10 reasons why it would be sooooo much better to have a baby in March or April next year instead of December this year! (and the expense of Christmas/birthdays colliding is definitely high up on that list...)

 

[Kittykins]

btw - I've just noticed the time. I have been enjoying the wine so much I have completely forgotten to cook dinner. My poor DH - immobile as he is after the op - hasn't said a word... I've been looking up comedy clips on YouTube - if you want a laugh, you have to look up Neg's Urban Sports - "My Ball" is the funniest (I don't agree with a couple of them, I think they're just bullying or weird, but that is hilarious...)

 

[kmac]

Oh Kitty! Your poor DH!!
Might give the wine a go. DH did suggest it but I was feeling sick so declined! I have had half a can of pear cider from Ikea, but it didn't do much!!

 

[Tasha20]

Hi everyong

Sorry some of us are feeling low, I am too, stupid AF still hasn't gone and is the heaviest shes ever been in years! starting to calm down now though

Cant wait for her to go the stupid cow


Have a question, how long does sperm last outside the body, say in a cup?