Split post re: UK going downhill

[Squiglet]

so true.

As for that article thingy....if you went into that salon and that girl was working there with the head scarf on and you said to the manager "why can't i see that girls hair? I thought your policy was to show the stylists hair" and the manager said "its because of her religious beliefs and her right to exercise her religious beliefs but she is a wicked hairdresser" can you really see the customer saying "well bugger that I'm not having my hair cut in this establishment then"! and walking out.

Its ridiculous.

LOL that's true...

Why is it so important to see your stylists hair anyways??... Every person who has ever cut my hair has never had hair that I have wanted... nor hair that's anything like mine... so even if I could see her hair and liked it... it probably won't a)be possible to have or b)wouldn't suit me... Just like all those models in the mags who you so desperately want to have the same hair... take the picture to the hairdresser... and do you look like the model... no you bloody don't (note... tone of bitterness in my voice)..

On the upside.... England does the best cakes in the world I have come to realise. *sigh..

 

[mummykay]

well Id b annoyed but thats just me,

hairdressers = hair = customers seein the talent on the hairdressers head

what a waste of tax payers money

She said: "I decided to sue this hairdresser because she upset me the most''

wtf??????

 

[Lou]

I think some people in this country harbour some disturbing rascist opinions. Why can't some people accept different cultures and beliefs? The manager of that hairdressers has no right to turn down that girl just because she wears a headscarf. Its outrageous! We ARE a multi-cultural society and should be proud of it, not bloody closet racists.

I can't stand racist people and I hope that girls sue's the arse off that manager!

Lou

i edited a typo..

 

[mummykay]

I think some people in this country harbour some discturing rascist opinions. Why can't some people accept different cultures and beliefs? The manager of that hairdressers has no right to turn down that girl just because she wears a headscarf. Its outrageous! We ARE a multi-cultural society and should be proud of it, not bloody closet racists.

I can't stand racist people and I hope that girls sue's the arse off that manager!

Lou

i reckon it will be thrown out in court and the girl will have to pay court costs

 

[Lou]

well Id b annoyed but thats just me,

hairdressers = hair = customers seein the talent on the hairdressers head

what a waste of tax payers money

She said: "I decided to sue this hairdresser because she upset me the most''

wtf??????

so if one of the stylists got alopecia or cancer and their hair fell out they should get the sack?

 

[Lou]

I think some people in this country harbour some discturing rascist opinions. Why can't some people accept different cultures and beliefs? The manager of that hairdressers has no right to turn down that girl just because she wears a headscarf. Its outrageous! We ARE a multi-cultural society and should be proud of it, not bloody closet racists.

I can't stand racist people and I hope that girls sue's the arse off that manager!

Lou

i reckon it will be thrown out in court and the girl will have to pay court costs

why do you think that?

 

[mummykay]

no cos thats not their choice to have their hair fall out or them to develop cancer - wearing a headscarf is a religious choice, iv been to school with girls who never wore theirs even tho it was religious so if u go into a field of business where all the focus is on ur hair then why cant we see their hair? so this girl must must must must have realised that bein a hairdresser might have actually, oh i dont know, have to show their hair?

 

[mummykay]

i think its a waste of court time and money

fair enough if u dont mind the tax u pay goin on a sad ass case like that but i would actually prefer mine goin on the trials for rapists, murderers and paedophiles to get them locked up but whatever, each to their own

 

[Jen & Her Men]

I think the article is a bit of a tricky one. Its such a controversial subject because its being blamed on race.
However, I wouldnt sue a modelling agency for not getting a contract because I was told I wasnt pretty enough, or tall enough or thin enough. That would be ridiculous because we all know that that particular industry dictates that you have to look a certain way to become a part of the industry.
In the same way, if the lady who owns the shop has a genuine policy of "funky" etc then I doubt if a girl who was a bit on the frumpy side, wearing bottle rimmed glasses etc would get the job, but that would never make the public news. This has been because it has been made about race. I cant comment whether the woman is racist because I dont know her and dont know the background of her story so its dangerous to start accusing her. All I would say is that if she has a proven policy that her brand and her shops image and success is based on the funky thing then I dont see that the girl with the headscarf has a case.

 

[Lou]

i think its a waste of court time and money

fair enough if u dont mind the tax u pay goin on a sad ass case like that but i would actually prefer mine goin on the trials for rapists, murderers and paedophiles to get them locked up but whatever, each to their own

But to be fair some cultures actually believe in their religion and by asking her to remove her head scarf might not mean jack to us but it means the world to that girl whether me or you or anyone else likes it or not. She has every right to that job if she is good hair dresser and by refusing her that chance she has been discriminated against. If she wins the case it will be a benchmark for all other people who are discriminated against because of their beliefs and cultures and disabilities for that matter. That manager should have made allowances for that girl in exactly the same way employers have to provide wheelchair access to their premises and hearing loops for deaf employees. And when I say some cultures who actually believe in their religion I am refering to the countless "christians" who get their kids christened then never go to church after. Hypocrites in my eyes.

Lou

 

[Squiglet]

i think its a waste of court time and money

fair enough if u dont mind the tax u pay goin on a sad ass case like that but i would actually prefer mine goin on the trials for rapists, murderers and paedophiles to get them locked up but whatever, each to their own

but most court cases where one person sues another is a waste of court time and tax payers money tbh... too many people see suing as a get rich quick scheme, and really most of the cases are just pointless...

This girl should be allowed to display her religion openly, she is right in that fact, but if the hair salon says no, then well that's just the way it is... some places of work have rules, even if they are stupid. I have religious tattoos, which I display openly but many of my work places have asked me to cover them incase I offend people, and I do. I shouldn't have too but that's the rules of where I work... I accepted those rules when I agreed to work for the company.

But suing for all that money.. well that just seems to me as money grabbing and for the reasons she gave...

Miss Noah wants £15,000 for injury to her feelings plus an unspecified amount for lost earnings.

1) she never had the job so can't have "lost earnings" 2) injury to her feelings... sorry... but didn't her mother teach her...

Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me?

Some people need to develop a thicker skin... after all not everyone in the world is going to like you and be nice to you... If you live your life like that you are going to have one painful existence.

 

[Lou]

I think the article is a bit of a tricky one. Its such a controversial subject because its being blamed on race.
However, I wouldnt sue a modelling agency for not getting a contract because I was told I wasnt pretty enough, or tall enough or thin enough. That would be ridiculous because we all know that that particular industry dictates that you have to look a certain way to become a part of the industry.
In the same way, if the lady who owns the shop has a genuine policy of "funky" etc then I doubt if a girl who was a bit on the frumpy side, wearing bottle rimmed glasses etc would get the job, but that would never make the public news. This has been because it has been made about race. I cant comment whether the woman is racist because I dont know her and dont know the background of her story so its dangerous to start accusing her. All I would say is that if she has a proven policy that her brand and her shops image and success is based on the funky thing then I dont see that the girl with the headscarf has a case.

I think its racist because the girl might be fully qualified to do the job but is stopped in her tracks because her religion means she wears a headscarf. I think the manager should have a policy which is open for change. In this day and age you can't discriminate anymore, its not socially acceptable.

 

[Jen & Her Men]

i think its a waste of court time and money

fair enough if u dont mind the tax u pay goin on a sad ass case like that but i would actually prefer mine goin on the trials for rapists, murderers and paedophiles to get them locked up but whatever, each to their own

But to be fair some cultures actually believe in their religion and by asking her to remove her head scarf might not mean jack to us but it means the world to that girl whether me or you or anyone else likes it or not. She has every right to that job if she is good hair dresser and by refusing her that chance she has been discriminated against. If she wins the case it will be a benchmark for all other people who are discriminated against because of their beliefs and cultures and disabilities for that matter. That manager should have made allowances for that girl in exactly the same way employers have to provide wheelchair access to their premises and hearing loops for deaf employees. And when I say some cultures who actually believe in their religion I am refering to the countless "christians" who get their kids christened then never go to church after. Hypocrites in my eyes.

Lou

Hmmm I have agreed with your other posts Lou, and if you have read mine you will see that I am very open to having a multi cultural country and not against immigration etc persay. However, what I will say is that I do think that we show signs of political correctness gone mad and i think that this is an example of that. I am sure that there are plenty of hairdressers etc who would employ the lady whose policies on image are not on the level that the hairdressers in question is. I think we have to bare in mind that although we live in a multi cultural society, we are still "England" and our predominant fashions do not involve headscarfs etc. If I go to India etc then I would expect to have to follow their culture and beliefs and wear a headscarf and not wear a skirt above the knee etc, I think that people living in this country should at least have an awareness and respect of our own culture and not just expect that they can water down every aspect of our culture by playing the race card.
Any organisation caters to its customers. I would suggest that the majority of the type of customer that frequents the hairdressers in question dont wear headscarves. My friend is afro caribbean and has afro hair. She goes to an afro hairdressers and all the hairdressers are of that ethnic persuasion. I dont feel discriminated against because they have no white hairdressers. Its just one of those things. I think we have to be careful about what is racist and what is political correctness gone mad. Im fairly convinced that this is a case of the latter.

 

[Squiglet]

I think the article is a bit of a tricky one. Its such a controversial subject because its being blamed on race.
However, I wouldnt sue a modelling agency for not getting a contract because I was told I wasnt pretty enough, or tall enough or thin enough. That would be ridiculous because we all know that that particular industry dictates that you have to look a certain way to become a part of the industry.
In the same way, if the lady who owns the shop has a genuine policy of "funky" etc then I doubt if a girl who was a bit on the frumpy side, wearing bottle rimmed glasses etc would get the job, but that would never make the public news. This has been because it has been made about race. I cant comment whether the woman is racist because I dont know her and dont know the background of her story so its dangerous to start accusing her. All I would say is that if she has a proven policy that her brand and her shops image and success is based on the funky thing then I dont see that the girl with the headscarf has a case.

I think its racist because the girl might be fully qualified to do the job but is stopped in her tracks because her religion means she wears a headscarf. I think the manager should have a policy which is open for change. In this day and age you can't discriminate anymore, its not socially acceptable.

Unfortunately not everyone is that open about religion.. when really we should be... It's not fair people are discriminated against just because they think a certain way, or believe a certain thing... but its going to take a long time before everyone catches up to your way of thinking lou...

For now, those who don't fit in the mainstream, they either stand up for what they believe in regardless of the sacrifices they have to make along the way, and say... I don't care what anyone thinks.. this is who I am and if you don't like it... tough... I'll go else where.. or they back down and conform... until the more people become open...

I don't think it's racisim though as such... more discrimination because someone is different... which is total poop if you ask me.. different people make the world more interesting.

 

[budge]

watch out missac - this threads going for the fooking forum record

 

[Lou]

i think its a waste of court time and money

fair enough if u dont mind the tax u pay goin on a sad ass case like that but i would actually prefer mine goin on the trials for rapists, murderers and paedophiles to get them locked up but whatever, each to their own

But to be fair some cultures actually believe in their religion and by asking her to remove her head scarf might not mean jack to us but it means the world to that girl whether me or you or anyone else likes it or not. She has every right to that job if she is good hair dresser and by refusing her that chance she has been discriminated against. If she wins the case it will be a benchmark for all other people who are discriminated against because of their beliefs and cultures and disabilities for that matter. That manager should have made allowances for that girl in exactly the same way employers have to provide wheelchair access to their premises and hearing loops for deaf employees. And when I say some cultures who actually believe in their religion I am refering to the countless "christians" who get their kids christened then never go to church after. Hypocrites in my eyes.

Lou

Hmmm I have agreed with your other posts Lou, and if you have read mine you will see that I am very open to having a multi cultural country and not against immigration etc persay. However, what I will say is that I do think that we show signs of political correctness gone mad and i think that this is an example of that. I am sure that there are plenty of hairdressers etc who would employ the lady whose policies on image are not on the level that the hairdressers in question is. I think we have to bare in mind that although we live in a multi cultural society, we are still "England" and our predominant fashions do not involve headscarfs etc. If I go to India etc then I would expect to have to follow their culture and beliefs and wear a headscarf and not wear a skirt above the knee etc, I think that people living in this country should at least have an awareness and respect of our own culture and not just expect that they can water down every aspect of our culture by playing the race card.
Any organisation caters to its customers. I would suggest that the majority of the type of customer that frequents the hairdressers in question dont wear headscarves. My friend is afro caribbean and has afro hair. She goes to an afro hairdressers and all the hairdressers are of that ethnic persuasion. I dont feel discriminated against because they have no white hairdressers. Its just one of those things. I think we have to be careful about what is racist and what is political correctness gone mad. Im fairly convinced that this is a case of the latter.

Its true what you say about respecting other cultures and yes if you went to India you would be expected to wear a skirt below the knee but if you had a religious belief that meant you wanted to wear that skirt above the knee would you go against your beliefs and not wear it just to please everyone else around you? I hope you know what I mean! lol And believe me there are plenty of western girls in India that walk around with next to nothing on which is quite disrespectful. You don't have to follow their beliefs when in India you just have to show respect which is exactly what ignorant people don't show other cultures in this country and this hair dressers is a classic example.

 

[annem]

I think we have to be careful about what is racist and what is political correctness gone mad. Im fairly convinced that this is a case of the latter.

Totally agree.

I think employers that are racist should be punished but too many people are just trying to make a bit of money by suing. If it was out of principle she was taking her court she'd expect the employer to get commuity service or something not hand over lots of money. She never even worked for her!!

 

[Lou]

I think the article is a bit of a tricky one. Its such a controversial subject because its being blamed on race.
However, I wouldnt sue a modelling agency for not getting a contract because I was told I wasnt pretty enough, or tall enough or thin enough. That would be ridiculous because we all know that that particular industry dictates that you have to look a certain way to become a part of the industry.
In the same way, if the lady who owns the shop has a genuine policy of "funky" etc then I doubt if a girl who was a bit on the frumpy side, wearing bottle rimmed glasses etc would get the job, but that would never make the public news. This has been because it has been made about race. I cant comment whether the woman is racist because I dont know her and dont know the background of her story so its dangerous to start accusing her. All I would say is that if she has a proven policy that her brand and her shops image and success is based on the funky thing then I dont see that the girl with the headscarf has a case.

I think its racist because the girl might be fully qualified to do the job but is stopped in her tracks because her religion means she wears a headscarf. I think the manager should have a policy which is open for change. In this day and age you can't discriminate anymore, its not socially acceptable.

Unfortunately not everyone is that open about religion.. when really we should be... It's not fair people are discriminated against just because they think a certain way, or believe a certain thing... but its going to take a long time before everyone catches up to your way of thinking lou...

For now, those who don't fit in the mainstream, they either stand up for what they believe in regardless of the sacrifices they have to make along the way, and say... I don't care what anyone thinks.. this is who I am and if you don't like it... tough... I'll go else where.. or they back down and conform... until the more people become open...

I don't think it's racisim though as such... more discrimination because someone is different... which is total poop if you ask me.. different people make the world more interesting.

Thanks that was a huge compliment

 

[Lou]

right I'm off to bed. I've really enjoyed chatting with you today. I'll be back tomorrow!

Sleep well

Lou

 

[Jen & Her Men]

i think its a waste of court time and money

fair enough if u dont mind the tax u pay goin on a sad ass case like that but i would actually prefer mine goin on the trials for rapists, murderers and paedophiles to get them locked up but whatever, each to their own

But to be fair some cultures actually believe in their religion and by asking her to remove her head scarf might not mean jack to us but it means the world to that girl whether me or you or anyone else likes it or not. She has every right to that job if she is good hair dresser and by refusing her that chance she has been discriminated against. If she wins the case it will be a benchmark for all other people who are discriminated against because of their beliefs and cultures and disabilities for that matter. That manager should have made allowances for that girl in exactly the same way employers have to provide wheelchair access to their premises and hearing loops for deaf employees. And when I say some cultures who actually believe in their religion I am refering to the countless "christians" who get their kids christened then never go to church after. Hypocrites in my eyes.

Lou

Hmmm I have agreed with your other posts Lou, and if you have read mine you will see that I am very open to having a multi cultural country and not against immigration etc persay. However, what I will say is that I do think that we show signs of political correctness gone mad and i think that this is an example of that. I am sure that there are plenty of hairdressers etc who would employ the lady whose policies on image are not on the level that the hairdressers in question is. I think we have to bare in mind that although we live in a multi cultural society, we are still "England" and our predominant fashions do not involve headscarfs etc. If I go to India etc then I would expect to have to follow their culture and beliefs and wear a headscarf and not wear a skirt above the knee etc, I think that people living in this country should at least have an awareness and respect of our own culture and not just expect that they can water down every aspect of our culture by playing the race card.
Any organisation caters to its customers. I would suggest that the majority of the type of customer that frequents the hairdressers in question dont wear headscarves. My friend is afro caribbean and has afro hair. She goes to an afro hairdressers and all the hairdressers are of that ethnic persuasion. I dont feel discriminated against because they have no white hairdressers. Its just one of those things. I think we have to be careful about what is racist and what is political correctness gone mad. Im fairly convinced that this is a case of the latter.

Its true what you say about respecting other cultures and yes if you went to India you would be expected to wear a skirt below the knee but if you had a religious belief that meant you wanted to wear that skirt above the knee would you go against your beliefs and not wear it just to please everyone else around you? I hope you know what I mean! lol And believe me there are plenty of western girls in India that walk around with next to nothing on which is quite disrespectful. You don't have to follow their beliefs when in India you just have to show respect which is exactly what ignorant people don't show other cultures in this country and this hair dressers is a classic example.

But if your saying that Westerners in India wearing short skirts is disrespectful (which I totally agree with) then surely the lady in question suing the hairdressers is disrespectful because she is expecting a hairdresser to change her whole company policy because of one persons beliefs? I dont expect India to change their policy on female dress because my own beliefs mean I think I should wear what I like, so why should businesses who build a reputation based on image change theirs? (This is getting complicated!! Lol)
As I said before, if she was going for an office job or sommat then fair enough, but things like hairdressers - well their business can be be made or broken on image so it doesnt matter if its a head scarf that goes against that image or a girl with a really bad hair do or whatever, its just that this particular business does not have it within its policy. If you look at it from another angle, this could be pretty dangerous because if the law allows people to continually sue etc for matters like this one then there is a danger that people who are not qualified to get the job get it because employers are scared they will be called racist.