can you actually afford to have a baby?

[netty]

at the end of the day people will always end up having to have kids on benefits, sometimes things just end up that way dnt they

thats ok, ttc on benefits is also ok providing you have a plan for the future and you dont just intend to cliam as its easy

which noone on here does i am quite sure

its amazing, this is a great thread a really healthy debate and i come back to check in on it and its been flamed again!

 

[cosmicgirl]

are people just not reading this thread ? why has this even come up again?


noone said that people dont deserve kids, if you want to go ahead and have a kid when you cant support it be my guest

the thread was..........can you afford a baby.........

not '' all people who claim are scum and should be neutered''

blimey!

That's what I thought, I didn't get the link between prisoners and this thread x

 

[netty]

To be fair the original post mentioned the girl wanting IVF while on benefits. But her partner is doing an apprentiship so is obviously wants to get work so how is that any different from what you are moaning about yes she wants another baby but her partner isn't spongeing like you say. So yeah the ones who have limited few babies are made to feel like they shouldn't have had them and they don't deserve to live.

Frankly this thread in its self is Stupid and it will only go round in circles.

20/06/2012 - Elliott born at 129 x

11/02/2011 - Leo born at 11:37 x

what??????????? what on earth is your point..........they dont deserve to live? who said that???????

YES this will go round in circles if people keep flaming it as the site admin already posted if its something you really are offended by then leave the thread alone

dont flame an old arguement when people are just discussing shit that happens every day

no one is pointing fingers in here

people are just taking everything as if its directed at them?

 

[Froslass]

To be fair the original post mentioned the girl wanting IVF while on benefits. But her partner is doing an apprentiship so is obviously wants to get work so how is that any different from what you are moaning about yes she wants another baby but her partner isn't spongeing like you say. So yeah the ones who have limited few babies are made to feel like they shouldn't have had them and they don't deserve to live.

Frankly this thread in its self is Stupid and it will only go round in circles.

20/06/2012 - Elliott born at 129 x

11/02/2011 - Leo born at 11:37 x

For the final time - I am not saying her partner, or genuine claimants of benefits are sponging.


The "spongers" are those who never try to better themselves, and try to milk the system, have no intention of getting a job.

I dont see how this is a pointless thread? Its been good hearing everyones opinions. Im not understanding why you keep replying if you dont like the thread or think its pointless.

 

[cosmicgirl]

at the end of the day people will always end up having to have kids on benefits, sometimes things just end up that way dnt they

thats ok, ttc on benefits is also ok providing you have a plan for the future and you dont just intend to cliam as its easy

which noone on here does i am quite sure

its amazing, this is a great thread a really healthy debate and i come back to check in on it and its been flamed again!

That is what is getting boring, it's actually a really interesting thread.
If people don't like it why do they keep commenting on it, just ignore it?? x

 

[netty]

are people just not reading this thread ? why has this even come up again?


noone said that people dont deserve kids, if you want to go ahead and have a kid when you cant support it be my guest

the thread was..........can you afford a baby.........

not '' all people who claim are scum and should be neutered''

blimey!

That's what I thought, I didn't get the link between prisoners and this thread x

cos.........i just dont get it? i am like

for once this is a healthy thread, a healthy discussion between adults! these threads always turn sour and this one is a great one! you watch it will get locked due to flaming

 

[Me, My Girls & I]

To be fair the original post mentioned the girl wanting IVF while on benefits. But her partner is doing an apprentiship so is obviously wants to get work so how is that any different from what you are moaning about yes she wants another baby but her partner isn't spongeing like you say. So yeah the ones who have limited few babies are made to feel like they shouldn't have had them and they don't deserve to live.

Frankly this thread in its self is Stupid and it will only go round in circles.

20/06/2012 - Elliott born at 129 x

11/02/2011 - Leo born at 11:37 x

Noone has ever said a child doesn't deserve to live and I think it's preposterous of you to say so! The thread isbt stupid, it's a healthy debate/discussion!

 

[Happyfeet]

are people just not reading this thread ? why has this even come up again?


noone said that people dont deserve kids, if you want to go ahead and have a kid when you cant support it be my guest

the thread was..........can you afford a baby.........

not '' all people who claim are scum and should be neutered''

blimey!

That title made me chuckle so much I started coughing!

 

[cosmicgirl]

If I think a thread is "stupid" I just ignore it though??? x

 

[Froslass]

If I think a thread is "stupid" I just ignore it though??? x

exactly!

 

[cosmicgirl]

If I think a thread is "stupid" I just ignore it though??? x

And to clarify, I don't think any threads are stupid as they are people's opinions and feelings (even if different to my own).
I mean if I don't like a thread or it doesn't interest me, I ignore it x

 

[netty]

i love how people are just throwing in quotes people havent said?

i also ignore threads that annoy me, debates are meant to have a difference in opinion not wild accusations that people dont deserve to live?

come on!

 

[Humesy]

I think this thread has been fab and it's great to rant when MOST of the people are on the same page (actually all except for the few who are 'adding their own bits that others have said' )

If you get offended by a certain post, report it. im pretty sure an admin person will be able to clarify nothing rude or personal has been said about anyone.

Anyway back to the debate , I've been enjoying it! x

 

[LikeJohnnYoko]

To be fair the original post mentioned the girl wanting IVF while on benefits. But her partner is doing an apprentiship so is obviously wants to get work so how is that any different from what you are moaning about yes she wants another baby but her partner isn't spongeing like you say. So yeah the ones who have limited few babies are made to feel like they shouldn't have had them and they don't deserve to live.

Frankly this thread in its self is Stupid and it will only go round in circles.

20/06/2012 - Elliott born at 129 x

11/02/2011 - Leo born at 11:37 x

Yes, however, do you know what the standard wage for an apprenticeship is?
From the DirectGov information on it (and heaven knows because I was an apprentice a few years back myself) It is "£2.60 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship."

Do you think that it is fiscally responsible of a couple who are on benefits and a £2.60 rate of earnings to be allowed IVF? To be actively TTC?

It's not even enough for a lone adult to survive on, let alone a couple and a child.

Willing to work though the person may be, why then can't they wait until he is gainfully employed and earning at least Adult Minimum wage? I would not for a second support someone choosing to bring a baby into that by an expensive procedure for the NHS, when they will struggle to provide for themselves, let alone a baby.

This doesn't mean I don't support them ever TTC - you may notice I am not a parent yet. I have PCOS and were I to need IVF, I would not do so in that situation. I am going to be WTT for at least 2 more years myself until my life is in a better place before having children, so I know what it is to have to wait for something I want so badly.

I am aware that there are members on this forum who have partners doing apprenticeships, and I'm sure they can tell you how hard it is to get by and how frugal and sacrificing they have to be with it.

 

[netty]

well said LJY

 

[Humesy]

To be fair the original post mentioned the girl wanting IVF while on benefits. But her partner is doing an apprentiship so is obviously wants to get work so how is that any different from what you are moaning about yes she wants another baby but her partner isn't spongeing like you say. So yeah the ones who have limited few babies are made to feel like they shouldn't have had them and they don't deserve to live.

Frankly this thread in its self is Stupid and it will only go round in circles.

20/06/2012 - Elliott born at 129 x

11/02/2011 - Leo born at 11:37 x

Yes, however, do you know what the standard wage for an apprenticeship is?
From the DirectGov information on it (and heaven knows because I was an apprentice a few years back myself) It is "£2.60 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship."

Do you think that it is fiscally responsible of a couple who are on benefits and a £2.60 rate of earnings to be allowed IVF? To be actively TTC?

It's not even enough for a lone adult to survive on, let alone a couple and a child.

Willing to work though the person may be, why then can't they wait until he is gainfully employed and earning at least Adult Minimum wage? I would not for a second support someone choosing to bring a baby into that by an expensive procedure for the NHS, when they will struggle to provide for themselves, let alone a baby.

This doesn't mean I don't support them ever TTC - you may notice I am not a parent yet. I have PCOS and were I to need IVF, I would not do so in that situation. I am going to be WTT for at least 2 more years myself until my life is in a better place before having children, so I know what it is to have to wait for something I want so badly.

I am aware that there are members on this forum who have partners doing apprenticeships, and I'm sure they can tell you how hard it is to get by and how frugal and sacrificing they have to be with it.

Wow , well said!

And fair play to you for getting your life into the best possible state to bring your kids into this world, it'll make the whole experience MUCH more enjoyable for you and your offspring xx

 

[misscrazycooki]

Yes i agree on that wages are low but its their choice and i can add my comment ladies even if i think its stupid ok not like i quote all of yours

20/06/2012 - Elliott born at 129 x

11/02/2011 - Leo born at 11:37 x

 

[NaomiiLeiigh.]

Just to throw this out there a wee bit but should you all be more concerned that your tax money goes on these nice privileged prison now days rather than benefits for people who need them x

Blimey! I might be missing the point here, but what has this got to do with original topic? What is this, ""wind up the tax payers week" ?!!

Yes it's a wee bit off topic but It bugs me people moaning about us having bubbas on benefits (yes my & partners are due to medical & ppl have said that doesby include us) but feel included & its a fair bit more concerning they get nice prisons & we get told we dont deserves babies

noooo!

No one has said anything like that. People were referring to claimants who pretend to be sick, disabled,not people who genuinely are disabled/unable to work for medical reasons.

Can I just add that was written doesn't but my phone had other ideas

 

[tabbi]

Right this back to the main topic, this women is claiming benefits has one child already she won't be entitled to have IVF as she already has one, even if her partner hasn't got one.
Unless she could be able to afford on benefits a couple of grand for one session.

x x x

 

[cosmicgirl]

well said LJY

Agree, good post!!!
I wasn't aware how low the wage for that was x