Split post re: UK going downhill

[budge]

Interesting debate

My personal opinion is that the immigrants are not to blame. The government has done [sarcasm] fantastic job [/sarcasm] of allowing the flood of immigrants for generations. Its only in recent years it has become a problem. Many of the previous influxes - such as afro-carribeans, asians, jewish etc have had an overall benefit to the country and are excepted by the majority as equals. In fact, we are all immigrants if you go even further back - I bet most people on this forum can trace their family back to someone who "came" to Britain seeking a better life. My parents arnt British. Neither are my OH's parents. But we are British none-the-less.

Back to my original point though, the immigrants we seem to be discussing in this thread have had, at some point, a difficult choice to make. Stay in their homeland where they are in fear of their lives every day, where war and rioting is a way of life, where death and rape has touched every family in some way - or come to Britain where they can have a better life. Which would you choose?

It is actually a myth that they get priority in things like housing and benefit. A total myth. Dreamed up by the media and probably with roots in organisations like the BNP and NF.

The majority of immigrants come here because they want to make a better life for themselves and their families. They work, or try to, they try to fit into the community but are met with racism and nimby attitudes every day.

What strikes me as the most ironic thing, is that it is mostly down to the western world that they have had to flee their homelands to begin with. We started it.

Am I proud to British? No....I'm afraid I really am not.

bugger off to another country then.

 

[cassi]

Im not going to argue but in my opinion (that im entitled to) yes it does matter if someone quotes the UK then puts the English flag up next to it :s

just my opinion

At the moment i'm not proud to be British either, I loved it in Scotland because they can fly their flag without worry of being told its racist to do so, so I guess i'm less proud to be English. I lived in Sweden for 2 years and I loved it, its so clean (so to speak) and a country to be proud of.

And no I dont plan on living here forever but its not that easy to just set up home in another country...

 

[budge]

Im not going to argue but in my opinion (that im entitled to) yes it does matter if someone quotes the UK then puts the English flag up next to it :s

just my opinion

it does matter. Union flag is completely different from the Saint Goerge flag and represents different populations.

 

[cassi]

Im not going to argue but in my opinion (that im entitled to) yes it does matter if someone quotes the UK then puts the English flag up next to it :s

just my opinion

it does matter. Union flag is completely different from the Saint Goerge flag and represents different populations.

Thankyou, glad someone agree's

 

[Hypnorm]

People in the Uk aren't supporting the UK people, They are out sourcing to other countries and employing Polish people because they can pay them cheaper than the UK workers.

There are good points and bad points about this country and we could go on for ever.

We have set up our own company and we consulted about getting fiancial help or an advisor, but because we weren;t rehab druggies, of ethnic origin, single parents, or immigrants we werent allowed any grants to help get our selves started. So we have worked bloody hard to get of the ground we have paid our taxes for many yrs to the country but when people really need the help they don't get it.

The other thing that bugs me about this country is the kids, there is no sense of respect or that you have to work to get what you want too many kids / teenagers feel the country owes them, and have no values.

 

[Krystal]

well from everything I hear it won't be long before scotland separate from england.. and prob to follow will be separation of wales and ireland.. shame really - i think thats one thing that makes britain good.. unity between 4 nations...

 

[budge]

People in the Uk aren't supporting the UK people, They are out sourcing to other countries and employing Polish people because they can pay them cheaper than the UK workers.

There are good points and bad points about this country and we could go on for ever.

We have set up our own company and we consulted about getting fiancial help or an advisor, but because we weren;t rehab druggies, of ethnic origin, single parents, or immigrants we werent allowed any grants to help get our selves started. So we have worked bloody hard to get of the ground we have paid our taxes for many yrs to the country but when people really need the help they don't get it.

The other thing that bugs me about this country is the kids, there is no sense of respect or that you have to work to get what you want too many kids / teenagers feel the country owes them, and have no values.

quite agree.

 

[cassi]

well from everything I eat it won't be long before scotland separate from england.. and prob to follow will be separation of wales and ireland.. shame really - i think thats one thing that makes britain good.. unity between 4 nations...

unfortunatly I think we lost moral unity a long time ago

and in responce to the polish workers, they are generally harder workers to be fair

 

[budge]

well from everything I eat it won't be long before scotland separate from england.. and prob to follow will be separation of wales and ireland.. shame really - i think thats one thing that makes britain good.. unity between 4 nations...

unfortunatly I think we lost moral unity a long time ago

and in responce to the polish workers, they are generally harder workers to be fair

they may well be hard working but they don't really know what they are doing half the time. my hubby has them at his place and he reckons they are dangerous. they have to go and rectify errors the poles have made. and there have been cases of them being drunk on duty too

but of course this is only a few. its not every pole .

 

[Krystal]

I agree with Polish workers seeming like hard workers.. who can blame them for wanting better lives for themselves, i'm sure we would all do the same for our own families. Its the goverment that has to rethink how it's handling immigration, if it's too easy then you can't blame anyone from a poorer country from taking full advantage

 

[cassi]

true true and true to all the above comments and @ the about the drop comment..

 

[budge]

Yes your right it does but I wasnt really thinking when I wrote it tbh lol ...jeez who can blame me Im about to drop ...my point was about the English flag not being able to be flown ...so if you consider yourself English and proud you are unable to show this without causing sh*t....however mybad we were talkin UK but the union jack has never really caused much trouble if flown....that I am aware anyway.

Gah Ive even confused myself now lol ...Im staying out of this one hahah

i wondered what cassi was on about

 

[Hypnorm]

well from everything I eat it won't be long before scotland separate from england.. and prob to follow will be separation of wales and ireland.. shame really - i think thats one thing that makes britain good.. unity between 4 nations...

unfortunatly I think we lost moral unity a long time ago

and in responce to the polish workers, they are generally harder workers to be fair

they may well be hard working but they don't really know what they are doing half the time. my hubby has them at his place and he reckons they are dangerous. they have to go and rectify errors the poles have made. and there have been cases of them being drunk on duty too

but of course this is only a few. its not every pole .

My had to do some contract work at a big food company he was installing electrical pumps etc, and this polish work was cleaning near him,, (live electric!) he sprayed hubby with water once, hubby told him to move away, he didnt understand english, he sprayed water over the area where hubby was working and could have killed him as i think hubby said he was working with 480 electrics!!

Fair enough they work hard but what about shoving the people on income support and job seekers allowance who 'cant be bothered to get a job' to do these things. no one should be allowed to stay on job seekers allowance for more than 12 months.
The immgrants come here don't bother to learn the language, drive with no licence or insurance, a friend of a friend was killed by a immigrant worked who was driving on the wrong side of the bollards, and could speak no english at all.

I think more should be done to get the scroungers off their back sides and be forced to work.

 

[budge]

LOL ...I sometimes start typing thinking I am making perfect sense I read through it ...edit it a few times post and still dont understand half the time. ...at this point I just think ...bollox lol

yeah well im the same.

 

[Sammystar]

Cassi, I Love your signature....Scotlish!


As for the British thing. Well I chose to leave and I believe I've found a place which is better, for me and my family, at least.

I remain proud to be British, there is much to be proud of, but I feel that unless something drastic is done about immigration soon, the place really will end up 'a fookin shambles' as Budge so eloquently put it

Seriously, the country just isn't big enough for all the people who now live in it. The borders need to be better controlled, illegal immigrants expelled. France is doing it, Italy is doing it, the UK will have to follow.

I don't believe that most immigrants are met with racist and nimby attitudes. For those who work, who contribute, learn the language and integrate, Britain is a warm and welcoming place. Likewise for those who are fleeing genuine turmoil in their home countries.

But I can't blame people for getting fed up and feeling invaded by hoards of illegal immigrants who undercut wages, do shoddy work, refuse to speak the language and then start demanding all sorts of 'rights' and benefits.

The Swiss have got it right, sod political correctness. If you want to come here, you have to work, speak the language and contribute. The moment you step out of line, they boot you out.
I'm happy with that.

 

[budge]

Cassi, I Love your signature....Scotlish!


As for the British thing. Well I chose to leave and I believe I've found a place which is better, for me and my family, at least.

I remain proud to be British, there is much to be proud of, but I feel that unless something drastic is done about immigration soon, the place really will end up 'a fookin shambles' as Budge so eloquently put it

Seriously, the country just isn't big enough for all the people who now live in it. The borders need to be better controlled, illegal immigrants expelled. France is doing it, Italy is doing it, the UK will have to follow.

I don't believe that most immigrants are met with racist and nimby attitudes. For those who work, who contribute, learn the language and integrate, Britain is a warm and welcoming place. Likewise for those who are fleeing genuine turmoil in their home countries.

But I can't blame people for getting fed up and feeling invaded by hoards of illegal immigrants who undercut wages, do shoddy work, refuse to speak the language and then start demanding all sorts of 'rights' and benefits.

The Swiss have got it right, sod political correctness. If you want to come here, you have to work, speak the language and contribute. The moment you step out of line, they boot you out.
I'm happy with that.

sounds like Great Britain should take a leaf out of the Switzerland book.

 

[Krystal]

The immgrants come here don't bother to learn the language, drive with no licence or insurance, a friend of a friend was killed by a immigrant worked who was driving on the wrong side of the bollards, and could speak no english at all.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend must have been awful.

But a totally disagree, you cannot clump all immigrants together and say they all don't learn language, drive with no licence or insurance.

There is a large community of poles who live in england who do all of that and they live as well as you or i.

there are a minority who do things you said but there is also british people who do all that too.

I do agree we need to get scroungers off their backsides though

 

[Hypnorm]

sorry i worded that badly yes there are some good imigrants out there who come her and adhere to the rule and take time to learn the language and culture, a friend of ours has hired a guy to help him with general jobs home stuff etc. Tomik, he was friendly and could speak little engligh but by the time he went home at the end of the summer he was much better.

But there are some out there who give the rest bad names, and its the bad new that always gets the press.

 

[Krystal]

very true..

sammistar - i think you worded your post brilliantly and couldn't agree more with what you said

 

[Lou]

I had a really bad experience when I had to stay in hospital some years back. The night staff were awful and could hardly speak english. I was really scared but to be fair I didn't do anything about it except moan. For all of us who feel let down by one system or another can we really put our hand on our hearts and say we have been pro-active in making changes? I know I can't. They only thing we tend to do is vote and hope for the best. I've never volunteered to go and help out at the local charity shop, hospice, care home, school etc. I undertsand the point is that we shouldn't have to but maybe the country would be a better place if we all were more hands on rather than complaining behind closed doors.?

Lou