The Wright Stuff topic today (Gay Books For Junior Schools)

[Jo]

Oi who are you calling an elepahnt?????
Last thing to say on that the abuse comments were out of order in my opinion

But hey ho

 

[Tara & Liam]

the thing is, what exactly is it going to say in these books. is it going to stop at some men live with men and some women live with other women.
or is it going to be explicit and inform the children about all the ins and outs pardon the pun.

why do we need to tell 5 year olds about this. what do they care at 5. me personally think it is better if a child comes to its parent with questions and then the parents to answer. i know in some cases it doesnt work like that as some parents cant face telling their children things. i mean children at 5 dont usually question things like that. i mean i didnt question why my dad was the only black person on an estate of 100's of people. the only time i asked a question was when i was called the lovely name of a 'jungle bunny' at the age of 10. (i asked my dad what it was and he told me truthfully).

i think that now a days they focus too much on sex and not enough about feelings and relationships.

and by the way, in some schools they teach the children about oral sex as a better alternative then full sex.

and at the age of 5 are these children going to get confused and call my son 'gay' because he does ballet

 

[Ebony_Mommy]

no one told my sister about gays..

and if she see a advert of a music video with two girls kissing (its mainly lesbians they show for men dirty fantasies)

she'll go

''eerrrr... she's not a boy''

 

[Jo]

I think at the sges they want to introduce them it should be basics like insted of Jack and Jill-Jack and John

I dunno but i do know that the "mum and dad" books are basic mum at home dad works that kind of thing. So to me that needs to be changed in some books as that is not true in a lot of cases.

I can see what you mean about being called gay for going to ballet and it is this kind of thing that needs to be taught now in schools. there is too much gender sterotyping i feel and we as a society are so diverse this just isn't true anymore

That sort of rambled into one i'm sorry i hope you understand what i mean

 

[Jo]

no one told my sister about gays..

and if she see a advert of a music video with two girls kissing (its mainly lesbians they show for men dirty fantasies)

she'll go

''eerrrr... she's not a boy''

how old is your sister Ebony?

 

[Tara & Liam]

exactly i believe that someone should start campaigning to keep childrens innocense.

also isnt underage sex illegal so why teach a five year old anything. i can understand when they reach secondary school. but blooming hell, five years old.

i read once that in australia, they teach children from the age of 5 about personal space, so they become aware that noone is allowed within that space unless they allow it. why dont we teach our children this. teach them more about strangers.

 

[Jo]

Don't get me wrong I do not think sex should be taught to 5 yr olds

I think it should be realationships and emotions but not covered in a big way
They need to know that every family is not 2.4 anymore that way it is easier for children to understand why so and so's dad doesn't live with them or so and so has 2 mums

There is not a lot of 'normal' families around anymore and children of whatever age should know that

Children that are given knowledge are less likely to make hurtful comments to each other if the know about basic family lives of others around them

and this in turn is likely to make children from an unconventinal family feel less isolated

 

[Ebony_Mommy]

exactly i believe that someone should start campaigning to keep childrens innocense.

also isnt underage sex illegal so why teach a five year old anything. i can understand when they reach secondary school. but blooming hell, five years old.

i read once that in australia, they teach children from the age of 5 about personal space, so they become aware that noone is allowed within that space unless they allow it. why dont we teach our children this. teach them more about strangers.

 

[Tara & Liam]

in that case Jo all children of 5 need is a book saying that some mummies live with daddies. some mummies live on their own. some daddies live on their own. some mummies live with a different man and some men live with a different lady. some lady's live with other lady's and some men live with men.

but where do you stop. you have different races, religions, etc. why do gay relationships get the go ahead. the fact that i had a black dad was more of an issue at school then a friend that had two mums.

 

[Ebony_Mommy]

jo my sis is 4 1/2

 

[Jo]

i read once that in australia, they teach children from the age of 5 about personal space, so they become aware that noone is allowed within that space unless they allow it. why dont we teach our children this. teach them more about strangers.

I agree wholeheartedly with that

 

[Jo]

in that case Jo all children of 5 need is a book saying that some mummies live with daddies. some mummies live on their own. some daddies live on their own. some mummies live with a different man and some men live with a different lady. some lady's live with other lady's and some men live with men.

but where do you stop. you have different races, religions, etc. why do gay relationships get the go ahead. the fact that i had a black dad was more of an issue at school then a friend that had two mums.

I think they should do mixed race books as i said in a previous post

and i don't think they books should be expicit just written as you have said

jo my sis is 4 1/2

well i do think at that age she is too young to explain properly

 

[beanie]

I'm a bit confused as it seems that people think that a book with a gay couple in will be about sex and will spoil their innocence. I dioubt that any book targeted at young children is going to even mention sex, just that they are a couple like a mummy and daddy.

Another thing, the number of children with same sex parents is also growing, wouldn't it be great if they could pick up a book and see someone like them who has 2 mummy7's or 2 daddy's?

 

[Tara & Liam]

if the books are like that then i dont really have a problem. but i dont want my children under a certain age knowing about sex with any partner.

 

[Ebony_Mommy]

i dont agree with it

life with mommy + daddy or mommy or daddy

is natural

 

[Jo]

I'm a bit confused as it seems that people think that a book with a gay couple in will be about sex and will spoil their innocence. I dioubt that any book targeted at young children is going to even mention sex, just that they are a couple like a mummy and daddy.

Another thing, the number of children with same sex parents is also growing, wouldn't it be great if they could pick up a book and see someone like them who has 2 mummy7's or 2 daddy's?

Thank you, thats what i was trying to say
The whole thing has got nothing to do with sex, more focusing on differant realationships that happen

 

[Ebony_Mommy]

kids play innocent games

i wudnt want my son.. playin doll house with .. his friend being another daddy

or my daughter playing with another girl being mommy

nope

 

[Jo]

i dont agree with it

life with mommy + daddy or mommy or daddy

is natural

Thats not the real world though as much as we would like it like that
it doesn't happen!!!

Children need to know that their particular circumstnces are not wrong

 

[Ebony_Mommy]

im not talking about wrong or right

im talking about natural or un-natural

 

[Tara & Liam]

hmm. thats one to think about isnt ebonymummy.

i dont know. i dont think i could show a prejudice about things like that.

my ancestors were all persecuted on both mum and dad side.

my mum's side were all Jewish, lost everyone apart from nan and grandad.

dad's side were classed as "coloured" in South Africa. were segregated and persecuted.

hmm definiately a hard dilemma ebonymummy x