Madeleine McCann

I think there are big gaps in it all and people aren't be entirely honest! I also think the parents know more than they're letting on, but how do you accidently kill your child??
 
If its true what Gerry macann has apparently said that he sedated them mayb they over dosed her by mistake? :|
 
There's loads that doesn't add up to me I just thought of another one.

If they did accidently drug her, why BEFORE they went out for a meal? So long before the meal you have time to go and hide the body?

and wouldn't you run outside yelling for an ambulance? cos there would be the hope she could be brought back? You wouldn't just say..oh right, she's dead, we'd better hide her body and go out for a meal...

why not cancel the meal and lie and say they feel ill?

It's all just way too weird.
 
nooo what I mean is they deliberately drugged their children enough that they could go out for their meal, thinking that would just make the children sleep through them being out, they didn't find out she had died until they returned after their meal, or checked on her themselves.

So they didn't know she had died when they went out, only when they personally returned.
 
OMG people! :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Right, let's look at this in a logical way.

Forget the fact that everybody is angry with the McCanns for leaving the kids alone. That's a serperate issue and we've been there and done it already a million times.

Forget the trashy, scummy tabloid press, whose only aim is to sell papers by suggesting the most lurid and wild stories imaginable.

DEFINITELY forget reading the forums such as the Mirror and Express, where it seems the posters don't even have a single brain cell between them.

Try seeking information from Intelligent sources, such as the Guardian, Observer, Independant,Times, BBC and other reputable news agencies.

Look at the timeline of events as we know them, and think hard about how many witnesses there were that night, all reporting the same chain of events.....were they all in on it too?

The Portugese press have stated that Gerry admitted to sedating the kids.

The (reputable) British press are saying he strongly denies it.

The McCanns were almost never alone in the weeks after Maddie's disappearance. The place was crawling with press, and by their own admission the PJ have said that they were watching the McCanns.

The Guardian and Observer have reported that the British Lab where the blood samples were analysed (this is the lab were DNA profiling was PIONEERED, so they know what they're doing, right?) has stated that the miniscule blood stains in the flat were deteriorated and only a partial match to Madeleine, meaning they could just as easily come from the twins, or even the parents. A tiny cut, a mosquito bite etc. Ditto for the 'apparent' DNA evidence found in the car, which the British are saying WAS NOT BLOOD and could easily have come from any person who had contact with Maddie......DOH! like her parents!

It's not rocket science, really. :wall: :wall: :wall:

Forget the tabloids..........look at the FACTS as we know them.
 
its fair enough to look at the facts or whatever but where has that got the police so far.. no where! if someone else was in that apartment there would have been some sort of trace, no?

i agree that somethings just dont add up
 
katyk said:
nooo what I mean is they deliberately drugged their children enough that they could go out for their meal, thinking that would just make the children sleep through them being out, they didn't find out she had died until they returned after their meal, or checked on her themselves.

So they didn't know she had died when they went out, only when they personally returned.

I know that's what you meant Katy, I was asking that because people are saying they are suspicious cos the parents allegedly arrived late to the meal, implying they were up to something beforehand.
 
i may just be being a bit thick here i dont know how dna works, but if they used ivf for there 3 children did they use embyos frozen from the ivf for maddie to then go on and have the twins, if so would the dna not be stikingly similar between the 3 children, just a thought, i personally dont think they did anything to harm maddie, yesterday the press were following the car to airport on motorbikes running alongside the car, i think this is so stupid they had 2 babies in the back and already distraught there could have so easily been a disaster, shame on the press people.
 
SAMMYSTAR - Thank you!!!!!
:hug:
Someone who talks sense on this matter....
 
I agree with Sammystar & urchin.

It doesn't add up.

I'm sorry to sound harsh but people spend too much time getting 'evidence' from places from the Mirror,Sun etc...I'm sorry,these are the daily smut newspapers!

If you want to read proper stories or evidence read a newspaper that is actually news & not gossip!

I have read so much of this thread & I'm sorry to say that a lot of it absolutely infuriates me!! Some of you are like a lynch mob! I take it that every single one of you have vast experience in being a perfect parent?

I am again repeating what I have previously said,no I couldn't leave my children alone in a foreign country but hell, I look back at some of my actions as a parent over the last 9 years & I'm certainly not the perfect parent & I would appreciate some tips from those of you who think that you are !

I take it that none of you will ever leave your child in a locked car on the petrol forecourt when you have to pay for petrol for example?

A big issue here with a lot of speculation has been the apparent find of DNA in the parents rental car...

as quoted in the BBC news :

'Spurious evidence'

Allan Scott, a lecturer at the University of Central Lancashire's School of Forensic and Investigative Sciences, said cross-contamination needed to be considered.


He said "secondary transfer" of Madeleine's DNA may have occurred and that DNA is "so sensitive" that if two people met in the street and shook hands and then one committed a crime, they could possibly leave the other person's DNA at the scene.


Does this not just prove that this break through of new eveidence is just a clutch at straws?!
 
im not too sure of the evidence anymore, we had a chat at work about it and every one knows something new all the time but dont know where they got it from.
I think the BBC news is the best place to get the facts, they seem to be very cautious about what there posting. :hug:
 
kirlykird said:
I take it that every single one of you have vast experience in being a perfect parent?

& I would appreciate some tips from those of you who think that you are !

i think the above statements are uncalled for, im sorry but i was only giving my opinion on the mccann situation, not critising (sp) anyone on a personal level!

Think i will leave this thread now as opinions dont seem to be ok unless they agree with everyone elses.
 
lillou said:
kirlykird said:
I take it that every single one of you have vast experience in being a perfect parent?

& I would appreciate some tips from those of you who think that you are !

i think the above statements are uncalled for, im sorry but i was only giving my opinion on the mccann situation, not critising (sp) anyone on a personal level!

Think i will leave this thread now as opinions dont seem to be ok unless they agree with everyone elses.


I never suggested that 'you' were criticising anyone on a personal level? I know that everyone is talking about the Mccanns & I'm sorry if you think that I am accusing you of criticising me?

I am giving a generalisation of my feelings across the whole of this thread & the finger is pointed at no one, I am sad that you feel that it is.

I'm also sorry but I also fail to see how your opinion isn't valued & I'm tired of reading threads where people have to leave because someone has a difference of opinion,this is a public forum where people do & will have difference of opinions. I don't expect everyone to agree with me :shock:

No offence made to you & I'm sorry that you take it that way :hug:
 
tbh i just want this all to stop
either they are guilty or they are not
stop dragging it on
 
kirlykird said:
I agree with Sammystar & urchin.

It doesn't add up.

I'm sorry to sound harsh but people spend too much time getting 'evidence' from places from the Mirror,Sun etc...I'm sorry,these are the daily smut newspapers!

If you want to read proper stories or evidence read a newspaper that is actually news & not gossip!

I have read so much of this thread & I'm sorry to say that a lot of it absolutely infuriates me!! Some of you are like a lynch mob! I take it that every single one of you have vast experience in being a perfect parent?

I am again repeating what I have previously said,no I couldn't leave my children alone in a foreign country but hell, I look back at some of my actions as a parent over the last 9 years & I'm certainly not the perfect parent & I would appreciate some tips from those of you who think that you are !

I take it that none of you will ever leave your child in a locked car on the petrol forecourt when you have to pay for petrol for example?

A big issue here with a lot of speculation has been the apparent find of DNA in the parents rental car...

as quoted in the BBC news :

'Spurious evidence'

Allan Scott, a lecturer at the University of Central Lancashire's School of Forensic and Investigative Sciences, said cross-contamination needed to be considered.


He said "secondary transfer" of Madeleine's DNA may have occurred and that DNA is "so sensitive" that if two people met in the street and shook hands and then one committed a crime, they could possibly leave the other person's DNA at the scene.


Does this not just prove that this break through of new eveidence is just a clutch at straws?!

hi kirlykird :hug: :wave:

to me its not a case of thinking of oneself as the 'perfect parent'.
I don't think the perfect parent exists at all. Good parenting does exist though. And i regard myself as a good parent.
I live my life working in the best interests of my children. After all they didn't ask to be born and i am responsible for them - their safety, happiness, health etc.

Is leaving your kids alone unsupervised in a hotel room whilst you go out with friends to dine in the evening in their best interests? Is it good parenting? I think not.
 
Can't we move on from the leaving her alone bit?

It was stupid, irresponsible, dangerous and yes, Madeleine would never be missing if they hadn't have done it. We all know this, there is no need to keep repeating it surely?
I'd rather focus on the investigation part now.
 
Robyn_ said:
tbh i just want this all to stop
either they are guilty or they are not
stop dragging it on

who should stop dragging it on?

we could stop talking about it if you like, won't make the story go away though.

it's all over the papers, people have got a right to be interested.

until the media interest dies down, or the case is solved, people will continue to discuss it.

...and I agree with Urchin, the investigation is more important now.....
 
Hey Budge :wave:

No I don't believe it is either, I know that IS wrong I mean the infuriating thing is Chinese whispers as to what happened. I just feel some people put too much concern into chastising the parents instead of the real worry of what happened to their little girl.

I know we're all good parents,maybe my post did come across in a different way to what was meant.

:hug:
 
Urchin said:
Can't we move on from the leaving her alone bit?

It was stupid, irresponsible, dangerous and yes, Madeleine would never be missing if they hadn't have done it. We all know this, there is no need to keep repeating it surely?
I'd rather focus on the investigation part now.

yes i agree!

now i was thinking today .......


is it possible that the mcCanns have diverted attention from themselves over the past 4 months to distract us from their guilt??

Discuss...
 
Sammystar said:
Robyn_ said:
tbh i just want this all to stop
either they are guilty or they are not
stop dragging it on

who should stop dragging it on?

we could stop talking about it if you like, won't make the story go away though.

it's all over the papers, people have got a right to be interested.

until the media interest dies down, or the case is solved, people will continue to discuss it.

...and I agree with Urchin, the investigation is more important now.....

i hope your not having a dig at me.

cbf to express my view
 

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