OH got his results :(

[kedi376]

We managed to get a doctors appointment today to find out the results of OH's sperm test.

Its bad news.........OH has low sperm count and what is there is abnormal. They are now referring us to the fertility clinic at the hospital.

At least we have some answers now and will hopefully get an appointment really soon. Although we have no idea what will happen next.

I'm off to search the internet now...........!

 

[Nurse 26]

So sorry to hear that kedi, at least you know whats up and you can hopefully get it sorted. xxxx

 

[LouiseB]

Oh sorry Kedi

Can you post the results? Here are some of my hubby's - the second ones took a bit of a nose dive. He had to have a third one and they were even worse

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaFirst Test aaaaaaSecond Test
Total Conc.aaaaaaaaaaaaa5.6 mil/mlaaaaaa4 mil/ml
Normal Progressiveaaaaaa4.3%aaaaaaaaaa1%
Slow Progressiveaaaaaaaa13.5%aaaaaaaaa3%
Not Progressiveaaaaaaaaa28.6%aaaaaaaaa5%
Not Moving (dead)aaaaaaa53.5%aaaaaaaaa91%

There is good news though... At least you know there is definately something that can be done. Male factor is pretty much good news really. Much easier to deal with than female factor.

IUI/IVF/ICSI/IMSI - you'll get pregnant

 

[sarah1]

Sorry you got bad news. Fingers crossed you get treatment really soon hun and get things sorted xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[kedi376]

Thanks Nurse, I have proper mixed feelings at the moment, gutted for OH, but at least we know and can now start doing something about it and know we are getting referred.

Thanks Louise - I never even thought to get all the results and I'm really not sure of what she said anymore, the appointment was with a clinician and she tried to explain the best she could be she isn't an expert.

I remember her saying something was 84% but I don't know if that was the abnormal ones.

I'll try and phone them on Monday morning to see if she can send the results out to me. I've started the research and will keep looking and yes what I've read so far it seems that if there is a problem it's better OH has it rather than me. Phew!

We're on a mission now! haha!! Those bloody spermies won't beat me!!

 

[maybe baby]

Really sorry Hun, good news that you're getting looked after now though.

xx

 

[Nurse 26]

I bet it takes some time to get your head around, hope you get the appointment through quick smart

 

[MrsR]

Sorry to hear this honey x at least you've got some answers I suppose

 

[kedi376]

Louise, we've just been back to the docs and got the results, I'm not sure I understand it all, so the research starts again lol

Volume: 3.2 ml
pH: 8.0
Density (x10^6/ml) 10
Motility (%) 50
Total Motile count (x10^6) 16
Progression: (/4) 2-3
Abnormals: (%) 86
Agglutination (%) 0
Red Cells (x10^6/ml) 0
White Cells (x10^6/ml) 0
Round Cells (x10^6/ml) 0

Underneath it says:

Nomencalture
Oligozoospermia - Low density
Teratozoospemia - High abnormals

 

[LouiseB]

Woah - there are some crazy mathematical symbols in all that

I don't know why they don't all just use the same standard format

Ok, so the density is bad but not severe - a reading of 5 or less would be severe - which i guess is a plus...

The motility doesn't seem to be high enough for IUI, but i'm not certain because reading this kind of stuff when they make it look complicated makes my head hurt

A high abnormals like it says... i think you heading for IVF/ICSI.

So thats a bit scary, but you'll be fine. They might try IUI still, but they didn't bother for us

 

[kedi376]

I've spent the last 30 minutes googling some of the words, it's crazy! I didn't even know what some of those symbols meant and if you needed to know, so I just put everything.

What should the density be in a normal sample?

Whats the difference between IVF and ICSI? I'm struggling here...!

You're amazing Louise, thanks so much for your support.

 

[LouiseB]

I think 20 is borderline, reading from just one source with the same format as your results

I'm sure 20 million per ml is the borderline.

So maybe regardless of the strange symbols, it's just million/ml really...

Maybe your "Density (x10^6/ml) 10" simply translates as 10 million per ml, so double the density of my husband

There are four main treatments:
IUI (which you know is just injecting the sperm into the uterus when OV occurs).
IVF (mix ~100,000 normal sperm per egg in a dish)
ICSI (inject 1 normal sperm directly into the egg - so only need 1 sperm cell per egg - but can damage egg)
IMSI (ICSI, but the sperm are genetically screened first, very new proceedure)

 

[Princess81]

This has mashed my head I don't understand any of it but just wanted to say that I hope that there is something they can do for you xx

 

[kedi376]

Thanks Princess, appreciate your comments hun xx

Louise, you are minefield of information, you must have spent hours researching all this! You'll know more than the specialist soon.

At least now when we get to the appointment I will be able to ask some sensible questions (I hope).

Did they say why they didnt bother with the IUI for you and your OH? I've been reading up about IVF and it's seems heavy going with injections for a couple of weeks and tests after tests. BUT if it gets you the little bundle of joy then I'm sure you would go through anything (me too!!)

 

[Sam's Mum]

10^6 is their way of writing 10 to the power of 6, which is 1 million. So 10 x 10^6 is 10 million.

So sorry the results weren't great but I'm glad you've got some answers to go forward with x

 

[LouiseB]

Did they say why they didnt bother with the IUI for you and your OH?

It wasn't literally discussed, no.

They work by trying the cheapest proceedures first but they don't throw money at prodeedures that won't work.

So basically, the reason we weren't offered IUI is because the chance of it working wouldn't be worth the cost.

It's all about number of healthy sperm.
Natural sex requires ~10million healthy sperm per ml (20 mil/ml but half will be rubbish normally)
IUI requires ~10million healthy sperm total after washing (washing kills 50%)
IVF requires ~100,000 healthy sperm per egg (so average about 1 million total)
ICSI requires 1 healthy sperm per egg = about 10 sperm total average.

We don't even have the numbers for IVF, we need to have ICSI. I think the fertility consultant said we had roughly 250,000 healthy sperm cells total - but i'm sure i worked it out at more like 25,000 total

 

[LouiseB]

10^6 is their way of writing 10 to the power of 6, which is 1 million. So 10 x 10^6 is 10 million.

So 10 to the power of 6, means 1 with 6 zeros on?

I remember it vaguely at school, it doesn't make sense. Should't it mean 10 with 6 zeros one, but that would be 10 million

Anyway - i'm glad someone is good at maths Thanks

 

[kedi376]

Maths has never been my strong point.

Louise - I guess what you're saying makes sense. No point giving you false hope on treatments which will have a low success rate for you.

 

[Sam's Mum]

10^6 is their way of writing 10 to the power of 6, which is 1 million. So 10 x 10^6 is 10 million.

So 10 to the power of 6, means 1 with 6 zeros on?

I remember it vaguely at school, it doesn't make sense. Should't it mean 10 with 6 zeros one, but that would be 10 million

Anyway - i'm glad someone is good at maths Thanks

It is 1 with 6 zeros on - like 10 to the power 2 (or 10 squared) is 100, 10 cubed is 1000...

It's not 10 with 6 zeros because 10 to the power of 1 is 10... So you add one less zero, if that makes sense?! x

 

[LouiseB]

It's not 10 with 6 zeros because 10 to the power of 1 is 10... So you add one less zero, if that makes sense?! x

Nope, but thanks for trying to explain. I'm a bit of lost cause re maths