mohammed teddy bear *edit* poll added

[HappyAlice]

Even if she has been a bit silly, or thoughtless, couldn't someone just take her to oneside and teach her how it might offend people, bit more productive than locking her up or whipping her. That's what is so outrageous about this.

 

[Freya]

I believe that she had done something similar to this before ? So that she had been warned and that is why the reaction is as it is.

I agree with Kina - I think she should have done more research before she went.

 

[Krystal]

Does anyone know why it is offensive to call a bear after muhammed?

 

[Minxy]

Does anyone know why it is offensive to call a bear after muhammed?

Attempt to create Muhammad in physical form is forbidden in Islam.

That's why there was all the hoo-ha with the Danish cartoons last year.

 

[Sammystar]

I believe that she had done something similar to this before ? So that she had been warned and that is why the reaction is as it is.

I agree with Kina - I think she should have done more research before she went.

If that's true then she's just stupid. That's not to say she deserves what she's getting now though. Poor woman!

Still, surely to goodness she had SOME idea about the culture she was living in?


Whether she named the bear or not. She allowed the kids to name it!

The whole thing is completely out of hand though. I feel so sorry for her.....
I hope she gets home OK.

 

[Krystal]

Does anyone know why it is offensive to call a bear after muhammed?

Attempt to create Muhammad in physical form is forbidden in Islam.

That's why there was all the hoo-ha with the Danish cartoons last year.

so the cartoons did recreate Muhammad? cos they were pics of him. But naming a teddy bear isn't recreating Muhammed. It's just giving the teddy the same name No matter how I try I cannot even begin to see it from their point of views.

However you look at it... its pathetic. And as for coming out with knives and banners thats pathetic too.

 

[uncle_bens]

I like teddies

 

[glitzyglamgirl]

If someone named a bear John the Baptist and was threatened with a lashing, fine or prison because it insulted some peoples beliefs in christianity then yes I would most likely say its those crazy extreme christians. You can't say its not about religion when it so blatantly is. It doesnt matter if its one religious person or a thousand religious people, if they use their religion to incite hatred or this ridiculous situation with this teddy bear them I'm sorry but YES religion is to blame in my opinion!

Well I think thats pretty flawed thinking, if someone acts in the name of an ideology or religion or political movement in a violent manner than its the ideology thats at fault rather than the person? So because the IRA used terrorism as a tool it means that the thinking behind it i.e ending Northern Irelands status within the UK is the crime??? There are hundreds of other examples i could cite where the majority of people would not blame the religion/creed/philosophy. With that sentence there if you changed the word religion and put race, than thats okay? But i'm sure you cant choose you race right? Or that ones race doesn't incite this kind of reaction? Until you study Islam, or know Islam apart from whats on BBC news, the newspapers, some one you used to 'know' at school or some hate websites you dont know do you?

Not only is that completely unfair but its an opinion that i bet only extends towards muslims and their religion. But thats just my opinion...

BTW whether Muhammad is spelt either way its still the same name, its just transliteration

Thanks for clearing the name thing up, I wasnt sure on that one

I agree that you shouldnt blame the religion, I think when extremism rears its head as it does in EVERY religion, (I know some extremist pagans who are pretty f***ed up in their views hehe) its a product of the social and political climate and usually nothing to do with the religion itself, but the religion is used and manipulated by others, leaders, to their own agenda. Its happened in almost every mainstream religion through the generations - when the Romans used Christianity to stamp out civil disobedience and those pesky Pagans, proclaim their emporers as the only voice of one God to control the masses, and many other examples of religion being twisted and changed for the same reason - to control the masses and manipulate people into a way of thinking. So I dont blame religion for anything - I blame the manipulators of that religion.

Its also worth noting that the "war" between Christianity and Islam has been going on for hundreds of years, and the Christians started it

 

[Lou]

Has she been charged with insulting religion or not? If there was no religion to insult what would she be charged with?

 

[uncle_bens]

If you look through History, there have been so many times when Muslims and Christians lived together perfectly peacefully, like in Spain, Al Andalus! The contributed to the culture, architecture and there were no civil wars then. When you bring in politics there's always an issue.

I'm not sure i understand Lou, u mean if there wa sno religion there'd be no problem coz there wouldnt be anythign to insult? If there where no black people there'd be no Klu Klux clan, so lets eradicate them?

 

[Gemma & Jake]

It's pathetic. I feel really sorry for her.

 

[kazlin]

It's pathetic. I feel really sorry for her.

It certainly is pathetic! I get so angry hearing about stories like this!

 

[Lou]

If you look through History, there have been so many times when Muslims and Christians lived together perfectly peacefully, like in Spain, Al Andalus! The contributed to the culture, architecture and there were no civil wars then. When you bring in politics there's always an issue.

I'm not sure i understand Lou, u mean if there wa sno religion there'd be no problem coz there wouldnt be anythign to insult? If there where no black people there'd be no Klu Klux clan, so lets eradicate them?

I didn't call for the eradication of religion. I'm not being dragged into a discussion about race so please do not question my opinions by throwing around comments about the Klu Klux clan. I have spoken my opinion and to sum it up I believe that religion is to blame for what has happened to this woman. I however also apprecitae that religion can be a comfort and way of life for alot of people and I respect that, I don't agree with it, but I respect it.

now get off my case

 

[Squiglet]

If you look through History, there have been so many times when Muslims and Christians lived together perfectly peacefully, like in Spain, Al Andalus! The contributed to the culture, architecture and there were no civil wars then. When you bring in politics there's always an issue.

I'm not sure i understand Lou, u mean if there wa sno religion there'd be no problem coz there wouldnt be anythign to insult? If there where no black people there'd be no Klu Klux clan, so lets eradicate them?

The whole Al Andalus thing is so funny TAT is totally right... Muslims lived in this part of Spain and further north for hundreds of years and they brought amazing amounts of culture and education to the world. But there is, celebrated here, every year, when the Christians defeated the Moors and eradicated them from Spain. Its laughable because the Christians were quite vicious about it too... where the Moors were living in peace and most places under muslim control lived good, rich lives... but because Spain is a very Christian country... the moors are still regarded as the evil aggressors.. and this is still taught to children at school What most people don't know is that it was the Moors in this part of Spain that were responsible for the Renaissance. While the Christian world were still living in the dark ages, this part of Spain was rich in culture, diveristy, had running water for the masses.

I also want to point out.. that one of the driving forces behind the Nazi movement was Christianity... it was the fact that Jews had been responsible for the death of Jesus Christ which was used to incite hatred towards the Jews... BUT... because this belief was not widely held by the rest of the Christian world, history has negated it and people realised that the Nazi movement was really only the crazy mindset of one loony who used religion to back up his beliefs... But the whole German nation fell under this belief 60 years ago... so is it really so unbelievable that other countries would be the same?...

Its not so much that religion is responsible for all the troubles in the world... it's just the crazy loons who hold vast political power end up using it as a way to incite hatred and fear among the general population. Then laws are passed which reduce peoples liberties and before you know it, you end up with a country that is too afraid to speak out against injustices.

 

[uncle_bens]

Lets all hold hands

 

[Krystal]

LOL sorry Lou, just dont you getting the wrong idea bout muslims or islam, which you already have! But i've tried my best
Lets all hold hands

i think lou was referring to religion in general not muslims or islam exclusively.

 

[mummykay]

lets all agree to disagree, us on our own arent gonna fix all the rubbish goin on this world so can we please give it a rest, its gettin boring goin over the same arguments

 

[Krystal]

lets all agree to disagree, us on our own arent gonna fix all the rubbish goin on this world so can we please give it a rest, its gettin boring goin over the same arguments

if you find the topic boring don't read it

 

[Squiglet]

lets all agree to disagree, us on our own arent gonna fix all the rubbish goin on this world so can we please give it a rest, its gettin boring goin over the same arguments

if you find the topic boring don't read it

pssf.... Eastenders and Coronation Street threads ergo not read it... hehehee

 

[mummykay]