Lol, BNP list leaked online

[Melanie]

LOL.. i was gonna mention religion being a cause of many wars but thought it would start a whole new debate. what wars were started by woman? Im interested now!

Good old Maggie milk snatcher Thatcher signed the orders to send the boys over to the Falklands.

 

[Sammystar]

I just came on here for a nosy at the list... but....

I do agree though, if we get rid of all the men then the streets would be a safer place.. oh and there wouldnt be any wars!

Wow!!! That is a statement and a half!

Well.. you dont see us woman having wars.. or do you? Has there ever been a war which a woman has started? Id be interested to know..

I suppose the men are useful for some things... arent they??

Well yes, there has been wars started by female.... just because you may or may not a have a penis between your legs does not decide if you are going to start a war or not.

God this is like going back to 2nd year RE at school and getting thrown out of the class as the teacher asked me what I thought started wars and I answered religion!

LOL.. i was gonna mention religion being a cause of many wars but thought it would start a whole new debate. what wars were started by woman? Im interested now!

Go back to Cleopatra and work forwards

 

[Tadpole]

I don't want to reiterate/repeat what has already been said so zebra/daftscotslass/purple13/beanie

The BNP can dress up their bloody policies as much as they like. If you strip away the spin then they are a bunch of bigoted, hate-spewing thugs who would have ALL non-whites deported, (or worse ). I know Tories, Labour supporters & socialists. I may not agree with all their opinions but at least they are not wishing/planning death & destruction of whole groups of people.

And while this country may have some issues that need to be dealt with I REALLY don't think that we would be safe to leave it up to the BNP to do that. Get involved in your local politics and make change from within the established parties. I'd rather have things the way they are than have a Nazi-lover in charge.

 

[Krystal]

LOL.. i was gonna mention religion being a cause of many wars but thought it would start a whole new debate. what wars were started by woman? Im interested now!

Good old Maggie milk snatcher Thatcher signed the orders to send the boys over to the Falklands.

Here's maggie thatcher, throw her up and catch her splish splash splish splash here's maggie thatcher.. anyone remember that.....? .... nope... okaaay

 

[moss]

Wow, four pages appeared while I was away! I haven't read them all, but from their charter:

"We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises..."

I do think that some political corectness has gone to far, but this isn't what they are talking about. They are talking about accepting different ethnicities and religions as legitimately existing in the UK. This country needs immigrants. Look at somewhere like North Korea. There are very few ethnic minorities there. Immigration and emmigration are all but banned, though some manage to escape. If immigrants were banned here, then the government would eventually also have to ban emmigration. That's right, you would not be allowed to leave the country. Your precious holidays to Spain? Finished. You know why? Because the only reason the population isn't declining rapidly is because people ARE allowed to come and go.

All of this scaremongering about this being a tiny island with no room for immigrants is rubbish. So called "indigenous Britons" leave to live in other countries all of the time. They are replaced with people coming here. The fact that Britain accepts the most refugees of any European country is a complete myth. In fact, there are many countries that accept far more. Besides, what is wrong with accepting refugees? These aren't people that got sick of their homes and decided to come to hot, sunny Britain. These are people who have been persecuted by their racist governments, governments that began, by the way by claiming they were going to improve their countries by stopping immigration and bringing them back to their grassroots (like the BNP). First those governments pick on the most recent immigrants, then the rest one by one, then, when the problems are still there, they go after anyone who speaks out against them, then the people down the list from there until ALL freedoms are taken. This has happened time and time again. These views are dangerous. If you can't see that, you need not look in history books because it is happening NOW in many parts of the world. So, reluctantly, these people risk their lives to get away, to save their families lives. They are not economic travellers. Any people that are and apply for asylum are turned away. I know because I have seen it. I worked for the solicitors who help legitimate asylum seekers, and look into the cases of those who are not.

Would you, as a mother, use all of your savings, every last penny, to leave your family behind, risking your life and that of your children, your husband for a cell in an asylum seeker's compound? No, I didn't think you would. These people do this because they are desperate to find safety. They are not criminals in any way we would think. If they are labeled as such in their countries, it is because they are in disagreement with their right-winged, fascist governments.

But, we aren't even talking about asylum seekers when it comes to the BNP. We are talking about me, too. I am not European. I am an immigrant here. If you try to tell me that I have done harm by coming here, then you have to take a long look at yourself and figure out where you have been brainwashed. First I came here and spent over £50,000 on an education. I have no idea how much of that contributed to taxes directly, but all of it supported quite a few employees at my university, as well as British research, etc. Next, I worked for several non-profit charities, and as a nursing assistant for several years. I took care of British people in the most basic sense- I even cleaned their bums! If someone tries to tell me that my presence is harmful, then they are ignorant and uneducated and could do with mixing with people outside of the circle they have been with since they were in their nappies. I am not unusual as far as immigrants go, and most do even more than me. The fact is that every country needs immigrants in order to survive.

Lastly, the only reason Britain is so rich is because they went around the world and colonised most of it. They went into countries that were doing fine without them and took over, forcing their beliefs and culture on them. In some cases (like India), you could argue they helped improve them. In other cases (like most of Africa, but Britain is certainly not the only country to be guilty of this), they completely destroyed the systems that were working just fine before and then left them to fend for themselves. All in the name of Christianity and British Imperialism. I'm NOT attacking Britain. This is my home and every country has things from its past that it could have done better. But for people from a country with this type of past to then go on and tell the people who come from those places that their ancestors colonised that they have no right to come over to Britain disgust me. I don't want them to have anything to do with the upbringing/education of my half-British son.

 

[moss]

Last reply...promise lol. I am clearly the only person here who has no problem with the BNP and agrees with some of their policies...so i am not going to keep trying to reply to every post defending myself. However obv. something is going wrong with children these days? Gangs, knives, kids running wild. I agree with proper dicsipline as that is what is needed to get young people to respect their elders. IMO kids have no discipline because there is no way they can be as a policeman cant even clip unruley little sh*ts round the ear anymore. Its just going to get worse.

One last thing from me, because I left my International Relations and Political Science when I decided to go back to university. ALL political parties promise to put an end to crime and disruption. The BNP aren't different in that way. No one has managed to do it because it isn't possible for an entire country to live in peace. Having hateful political parties running the country will promote violence, not put a stop to it. The BNP appeal to the most basic of our emotions- fear, and prey on them to twist facts around and put all of the blame on minorities because they are racist and also because they are the people who are least equipped to defend themselves because of the very fact that they are minorites.

 

[moss]

ONE MORE THING, I swear! When people come into this country and go straight onto benefits, that is NOT their choice! As an asylum seeker, you are not allowed to work! That is because the government would then class them as economic tourists. The majority of people who go to any country as asylum seekers are highly skilled professionals. They would have to be in order to escape their countries. In most countries only the financially elite can travel around the world, whether they are from a violent country or not. They are are dentists, surgeons, LAWYERS (especially lawyers- the enemy of any right-wing government), etc. They don't want to live on the pathetic amount of benefits they are given. That is even more evidence of the desperation they feel to improve their safety. You can bet on your life that they would rather stay in their own countries with better governments, or to at least be able to come here and contribute, but they aren't allowed.

 

[purple13]

whoooo, that was epic moss but an awesome trilogy of posts nonetheless!!

 

[moss]

Haha yes I say I left my International Relations/Political Science degrees behind, but I lied. This is something I feel pretty passionate about, being a) an immigrant, b) the mother of someone who will be an immigrant anywhere they go and c) from a country full of completely mixed-nationality people.

 

[Tadpole]

Wow, four pages appeared while I was away! I haven't read them all, but from their charter:

"We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises..."

I do think that some political corectness has gone to far, but this isn't what they are talking about. They are talking about accepting different ethnicities and religions as legitimately existing in the UK. This country needs immigrants. Look at somewhere like North Korea. There are very few ethnic minorities there. Immigration and emmigration are all but banned, though some manage to escape. If immigrants were banned here, then the government would eventually also have to ban emmigration. That's right, you would not be allowed to leave the country. Your precious holidays to Spain? Finished. You know why? Because the only reason the population isn't declining rapidly is because people ARE allowed to come and go.

All of this scaremongering about this being a tiny island with no room for immigrants is rubbish. So called "indigenous Britons" leave to live in other countries all of the time. They are replaced with people coming here. The fact that Britain accepts the most refugees of any European country is a complete myth. In fact, there are many countries that accept far more. Besides, what is wrong with accepting refugees? These aren't people that got sick of their homes and decided to come to hot, sunny Britain. These are people who have been persecuted by their racist governments, governments that began, by the way by claiming they were going to improve their countries by stopping immigration and bringing them back to their grassroots (like the BNP). First those governments pick on the most recent immigrants, then the rest one by one, then, when the problems are still there, they go after anyone who speaks out against them, then the people down the list from there until ALL freedoms are taken. This has happened time and time again. These views are dangerous. If you can't see that, you need not look in history books because it is happening NOW in many parts of the world. So, reluctantly, these people risk their lives to get away, to save their families lives. They are not economic travellers. Any people that are and apply for asylum are turned away. I know because I have seen it. I worked for the solicitors who help legitimate asylum seekers, and look into the cases of those who are not.

Would you, as a mother, use all of your savings, every last penny, to leave your family behind, risking your life and that of your children, your husband for a cell in an asylum seeker's compound? No, I didn't think you would. These people do this because they are desperate to find safety. They are not criminals in any way we would think. If they are labeled as such in their countries, it is because they are in disagreement with their right-winged, fascist governments.

But, we aren't even talking about asylum seekers when it comes to the BNP. We are talking about me, too. I am not European. I am an immigrant here. If you try to tell me that I have done harm by coming here, then you have to take a long look at yourself and figure out where you have been brainwashed. First I came here and spent over £50,000 on an education. I have no idea how much of that contributed to taxes directly, but all of it supported quite a few employees at my university, as well as British research, etc. Next, I worked for several non-profit charities, and as a nursing assistant for several years. I took care of British people in the most basic sense- I even cleaned their bums! If someone tries to tell me that my presence is harmful, then they are ignorant and uneducated and could do with mixing with people outside of the circle they have been with since they were in their nappies. I am not unusual as far as immigrants go, and most do even more than me. The fact is that every country needs immigrants in order to survive.

Lastly, the only reason Britain is so rich is because they went around the world and colonised most of it. They went into countries that were doing fine without them and took over, forcing their beliefs and culture on them. In some cases (like India), you could argue they helped improve them. In other cases (like most of Africa, but Britain is certainly not the only country to be guilty of this), they completely destroyed the systems that were working just fine before and then left them to fend for themselves. All in the name of Christianity and British Imperialism. I'm NOT attacking Britain. This is my home and every country has things from its past that it could have done better. But for people from a country with this type of past to then go on and tell the people who come from those places that their ancestors colonised that they have no right to come over to Britain disgust me. I don't want them to have anything to do with the upbringing/education of my half-British son.

I am high-fiving you through the laptop... (Can't type much as am one-handed and feeding a wriggler)

 

[Loola]

Fantastic posts Moss, well thought and well written and I 100% agree with you.

Oh and apparently this is the list (if it still works by the time I post it) I cant be bothered to trawl through it looking for people from my area though, its way too long!

http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/

 

[Steelgoddess]

Some really good posts here...

You just have to look at the class of people that run/are part of the bnp... Ignorance at its best...

I've also said this in the past but its ignorance that breeds racism, they are extremists and I'm sure quite a few of the members go out bashing people because of the colour of their skin it makes me sick to even think about it.

 

[zebrastripes]

Moss, want to be Chancellor?

 

[leckershell]

I have only read the past 2 pages, but I think I disagree with most of you so I shalln't comment. Looks like a good debate but I think I'll decline this one..!!

 

[Steelgoddess]

I have only read the past 2 pages, but I think I disagree with most of you so I shalln't comment. Looks like a good debate but I think I'll decline this one..!!

Oh common have your say

Everyones entitled...

I too say ZS for PM

 

[leckershell]

Bearing in mind I've not read the whole thread.

I think everyone is entitled to privacy about their own political thoughts and beliefs including religion. Personally I don't think it's fair to attack people's views. I might find a group offensive but I don't think it's fair to mock or abuse people's views just because I have different ones. Diversity and equality for all, blah blah blah.

I also think it unfair that they are suggesting sacking teachers etc that are BNP. Just because you have a view doesn't mean it will interfere with the way you do your job, and if it was to interfere they should be punished on grounds of being unprofessional within their job, not because of their beliefs.

 

[beanie]

Teachers are in a position of power and I trust them to help my child develop their mind. Its not the same as Jade's example of her gay teacher teaching about religions or as basic as someone who has political views. Its someone who believes that groups of people are inferior to themselves and don't deserve the same rights - I really would object to someone who believes that teaching my child.

And I will certainly mock the views ofsomeoe who states that women are like gongs, they need a strike now and then. I have no respect for him whatsoever.

 

[leckershell]

As I said.. I'm staying out of it

 

[beanie]

ok but you can't expect to put your opinion then no-one question it in a debate thread

 

[leckershell]

Oh I know that lol I wasn't having a go at you for arguing with me - I full on expected it

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