Lol, BNP list leaked online

Squiglet said:
I say vote the Raving loony party... at least they are honest about being nutcases :lol:

i dunno, i rather like some of their manifesto proposals (far more than any of the BNP's anyway!!!) - eg:

*all socks to be sold in packs of 3 as a precaution against losing one

*if you want your kids to be less fat...feed em less

*all newly trained dentists will be require to have three teeth removed, 2 fillings and root canal work done without anesthetic. then they will know the agony they inflict on the rest of us.

*every day the news should tell people an interesting fact in a hope to increase people's knowledge.

*paper cuts (being extremely painful) should be banned. paper manufacturers will be required to surround all paper with a foam frame. this will ensure that it will not be harmful to children under the age of 80.

*all armchairs and sofas should be redesigned so as not to include a gap where small articles (such as loose change, keys, remote controls and kitchen sinks) can fall down.

there are soooo many more on their website - genius!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
purple13 said:
Squiglet said:
I say vote the Raving loony party... at least they are honest about being nutcases :lol:

i dunno, i rather like some of their manifesto proposals (far more than any of the BNP's anyway!!!) - eg:

*all socks to be sold in packs of 3 as a precaution against losing one

*if you want your kids to be less fat...feed em less

*all newly trained dentists will be require to have three teeth removed, 2 fillings and root canal work done without anesthetic. then they will know the agony they inflict on the rest of us.

*every day the news should tell people an interesting fact in a hope to increase people's knowledge.

*paper cuts (being extremely painful) should be banned. paper manufacturers will be required to surround all paper with a foam frame. this will ensure that it will not be harmful to children under the age of 80.

*all armchairs and sofas should be redesigned so as not to include a gap where small articles (such as loose change, keys, remote controls and kitchen sinks) can fall down.

there are soooo many more on their website - genius!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
Morganuk said:
beanie said:
Morganuk said:
One thing Id like you to comment on is our housing system.
Do you believe immigrants come to the UK and get prioritised above our own people in need of accommodation.
I hear so many stories and have also spoken to people who work in the council who have told me that yes immigrants are often prioritized over the British citizens?
We read in the news papers how they are given houses?

Why is this?


My opinion is like anyone if you have a child, disability etc they regardless of where you come from you should be housed.
I don't agree that single immigrants should be housed when there is in fact lots of families who need a roof over there head.

Is there more to this?

I'm not Moss but my view is that immigrants are not responsible for the housing shortage. Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants aren't entitled to benefits or housing and even then a refugee does not get preferential housing entitlement, it is based on a needs system. If anyone is to blame it is the councils for selling off their properties and not building new ones but its far easier to make immigrants the scapegoats.


No your right,it is the councils who have the say so but it does make me wonder why we keep on hearing these kind of stories. I cant help but have the opinion that we should help out are own first to a certain extent as after all it is our country. Yes if immigrants have young babies then they need housing but not single men who get filled into houses when we have families who need help.

I can totally sympathise with why a not of immigrants leave there countries but to be fair, that's not the average British persons fault so why should they be made to come second by are councils :think:

But they're not


Immigration myths

Myth Immigrants jump housing queues and live in squalid, overcrowded housing.

Fact Most immigrants live in cities that contain plenty of empty houses – London alone has 70,000.

Myth Immigrants take ‘English’ jobs.

Fact Asylum seekers can’t work or pay tax until their cases are sorted out. And immigrants contribute 10% more to the economy in tax and national insurance than they take in benefits and services, says a Home Office study.

Myth Immigrants are draining health and social services.

Fact Most asylum seekers are only entitled to emergency health care. And our hospitals rely on immigrant labour: nearly a quarter of NHS doctors and half of all NHS nurses were born outside the UK. Despite there being 90,000 vacancies in health and social care, thousands of refugees with appropriate skills are prevented from working here. And of the 15.5 million people in the UK on benefits, excluding retirement pensions, only 0.5% are asylum seekers.

Myth Immigrants are to blame for rising crime.

Fact Immigrants are more likely to be the victims of crime. A 2004 report showed a 75% increase in racist attacks in Scotland alone. Refugees and asylum seekers were the main targets

from http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites ... ism/3.html

and

MYTH: “The UK is a soft touch for asylum seekers.”
> The idea that the UK or any other European country is a ‘soft touch’ is simply
not true. As European countries introduce increasingly tougher immigration
controls, it is extremely difficult to gain entry to Europe at all. The sealing of
the Channel Tunnel and the closure of Sangatte have affected numbers
entering this country.
> In 2001 Canada granted protection to 97% of Afghan asylum applicants, where
the UK granted only 19%. Somali applicants had a 92% success rate in Canada,
whereas in the UK it was only 34%. 85% of Colombian applicants in Canada
were granted protection against 3% in the UK.
> In 2002, 8,100 (10%) people were granted asylum (before appeal), 19,965 (24%)
were granted exceptional leave to remain and 54,650 (66%) were refused
asylum

Welfare provision for asylum seekers in the UK is far from generous. They
receive payment which is one third less than basic income support.
This amounts to less than £37.77 per week – 30% below the poverty line.
They are not allowed to work, even though they are very keen to seek
employment. Washing machines, TVs, videos are not provided.
> Asylum seekers are given “hard-to-let” properties that no-one wants in the least
popular estates in areas of multiple social problems, or are farmed out to
privately-rented flats which often are in sub-standard condition

and for those who believe immigration is taking away our British identity
MYTH: “Refugees are a threat to the British way of life and to
our national identity.”
> 17 Nobel Laureates, 71 Fellows or Foreign Members of the Royal Society and 50
Fellows or corresponding Fellows of the British Academy are refugees.
- Fish and chips was brought to the UK by l7th-century Jews expelled from
Portugal.
- Alec Issigonis, who fled the war between Turkey and Greece, was the brain
behind the Mini and the Morris Minor.
 
beanie said:
Morganuk said:
beanie said:
Morganuk said:
One thing Id like you to comment on is our housing system.
Do you believe immigrants come to the UK and get prioritised above our own people in need of accommodation.
I hear so many stories and have also spoken to people who work in the council who have told me that yes immigrants are often prioritized over the British citizens?
We read in the news papers how they are given houses?

Why is this?


My opinion is like anyone if you have a child, disability etc they regardless of where you come from you should be housed.
I don't agree that single immigrants should be housed when there is in fact lots of families who need a roof over there head.

Is there more to this?

I'm not Moss but my view is that immigrants are not responsible for the housing shortage. Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants aren't entitled to benefits or housing and even then a refugee does not get preferential housing entitlement, it is based on a needs system. If anyone is to blame it is the councils for selling off their properties and not building new ones but its far easier to make immigrants the scapegoats.


No your right,it is the councils who have the say so but it does make me wonder why we keep on hearing these kind of stories. I cant help but have the opinion that we should help out are own first to a certain extent as after all it is our country. Yes if immigrants have young babies then they need housing but not single men who get filled into houses when we have families who need help.

I can totally sympathise with why a not of immigrants leave there countries but to be fair, that's not the average British persons fault so why should they be made to come second by are councils :think:

But they're not


Immigration myths

Myth Immigrants jump housing queues and live in squalid, overcrowded housing.

Fact Most immigrants live in cities that contain plenty of empty houses – London alone has 70,000.

Myth Immigrants take ‘English’ jobs.

Fact Asylum seekers can’t work or pay tax until their cases are sorted out. And immigrants contribute 10% more to the economy in tax and national insurance than they take in benefits and services, says a Home Office study.

Myth Immigrants are draining health and social services.

Fact Most asylum seekers are only entitled to emergency health care. And our hospitals rely on immigrant labour: nearly a quarter of NHS doctors and half of all NHS nurses were born outside the UK. Despite there being 90,000 vacancies in health and social care, thousands of refugees with appropriate skills are prevented from working here. And of the 15.5 million people in the UK on benefits, excluding retirement pensions, only 0.5% are asylum seekers.

Myth Immigrants are to blame for rising crime.

Fact Immigrants are more likely to be the victims of crime. A 2004 report showed a 75% increase in racist attacks in Scotland alone. Refugees and asylum seekers were the main targets

from http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites ... ism/3.html

and

MYTH: “The UK is a soft touch for asylum seekers.”
> The idea that the UK or any other European country is a ‘soft touch’ is simply
not true. As European countries introduce increasingly tougher immigration
controls, it is extremely difficult to gain entry to Europe at all. The sealing of
the Channel Tunnel and the closure of Sangatte have affected numbers
entering this country.
> In 2001 Canada granted protection to 97% of Afghan asylum applicants, where
the UK granted only 19%. Somali applicants had a 92% success rate in Canada,
whereas in the UK it was only 34%. 85% of Colombian applicants in Canada
were granted protection against 3% in the UK.
> In 2002, 8,100 (10%) people were granted asylum (before appeal), 19,965 (24%)
were granted exceptional leave to remain and 54,650 (66%) were refused
asylum

Welfare provision for asylum seekers in the UK is far from generous. They
receive payment which is one third less than basic income support.
This amounts to less than £37.77 per week – 30% below the poverty line.
They are not allowed to work, even though they are very keen to seek
employment. Washing machines, TVs, videos are not provided.
> Asylum seekers are given “hard-to-let” properties that no-one wants in the least
popular estates in areas of multiple social problems, or are farmed out to
privately-rented flats which often are in sub-standard condition

and for those who believe immigration is taking away our British identity
MYTH: “Refugees are a threat to the British way of life and to
our national identity.”
> 17 Nobel Laureates, 71 Fellows or Foreign Members of the Royal Society and 50
Fellows or corresponding Fellows of the British Academy are refugees.
- Fish and chips was brought to the UK by l7th-century Jews expelled from
Portugal.
- Alec Issigonis, who fled the war between Turkey and Greece, was the brain
behind the Mini and the Morris Minor.


If London has so many empty houses then why are so many homeless.
I am not disputing about crime and other myths mentioned, I just believe a country should help its own first.
 
Morganuk said:
If London has so many empty houses then why are so many homeless.
I am not disputing about crime and other myths mentioned, I just believe a country should help its own first.

LOL, we digress once again - how many people do you believe are homeless in London? and what do you qualify as homeless?

at the start of this month, the simon community (independent homelessness charity) found 263 people sleeping rough in central london. this is up from 165 in the same area in april 2008.

the reason cited?

"the lack of any safety net for arrivals from the newer EU countries has swelled the number of street homeless, as they have no access to government funding and are therefore trapped in a cycle of homelessness and poverty"
 
I meant waiting to be housed or rehoused in to suitable accommodation.
 
Jade&Evie said:
sarafet said:
[quote="Jade&Evie":3o29px49]but if you want to find true hypocrites and bigots look bo further than the church- they have been doing it for 1000s of years! :?

the church are following their religion/bible/scriptures etc, are the bnp?

eta - i'm not saying that it's right to be homeophobic etc with that statement, just pointing out thats it's a stupid comparison to make.
[/quote:3o29px49]

:? please dont :roll: at me... everyone is entitled to an opinion.
quote]

sorry but as i read your response i did roll my eyes, so found it appropriate, and it's there to use, isn't it :D
 
Squiglet said:
purple13 said:
Squiglet said:
I say vote the Raving loony party... at least they are honest about being nutcases :lol:

i dunno, i rather like some of their manifesto proposals (far more than any of the BNP's anyway!!!) - eg:

*all socks to be sold in packs of 3 as a precaution against losing one

*if you want your kids to be less fat...feed em less

*all newly trained dentists will be require to have three teeth removed, 2 fillings and root canal work done without anesthetic. then they will know the agony they inflict on the rest of us.

*every day the news should tell people an interesting fact in a hope to increase people's knowledge.

*paper cuts (being extremely painful) should be banned. paper manufacturers will be required to surround all paper with a foam frame. this will ensure that it will not be harmful to children under the age of 80.

*all armchairs and sofas should be redesigned so as not to include a gap where small articles (such as loose change, keys, remote controls and kitchen sinks) can fall down.

there are soooo many more on their website - genius!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


The get my Vote!!! :D
 
There are loads of empty council houses in my area, the council sold two on my mums street which have been taken over by property developers. Didnt see an asylum seeker in sight...
 
Asylum seekers do not get houses faster than anyone else, they get prioritised because they are homeless, just like any British person would if they were homeless. Immigrants (non illegal) are not allowed to enter the country until they have proof that they will have somewhere to stay in this country, be it with relatives or if they can be offered a council property, if the lists have been exhausted for people already living in this country, i.e. no-one wants to live in the property. If the immigrant coming into the country has a job to go straight away they will be advised to look for private accommodation. There are some houses that are kept back for Asylum Seekers but these are for very extreme cases where the families are fleeing violence from their Government. They are allowed to stay in these properties for a maximum of 6 months in which time they have to find other accommodation. These are usually for families with children, not for single people.
 
As ive said before, im a little clueless with politics as i start getting involved in it and then get angry and prefer to be the ignorant one.

One question though... UKIP? (UK independent party) Do feel they are a racist bunch aswell?

Claire x
 
nori said:
As ive said before, im a little clueless with politics as i start getting involved in it and then get angry and prefer to be the ignorant one.

One question though... UKIP? (UK independent party) Do feel they are a racist bunch aswell?

Claire x

I don't know too much about them but their concerns are more economic. They are anti-EU (as in legal and economic powers should be centered in the UK rather than EU) but have anti-sectarian and non-discriminatory policies. Apparently some of their members have questionable (far right) backgrounds but I'm pretty sure they're not in the same league as the BNP.

Don't quote me on it, I'm just regurgitating what I read last time I voted :lol:
 
UKIP sail a fine line in my opinion. They don't want us to be part of the EU, believing that we can function perfectly well without losing our autonomy. That's fair enough.

Where their manifesto gets a bit interesting (and dubious) is on the matter of immigration:

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPa4manifesto2005.pdf

However, they do not claim (unlike the BNP) that anyone who is a Jew, Sikh, Hindu or Muslim, even if they were born here, is not British. They do not say that any immigrant should go back to where they came from.

So although its quite possible that UKIP's policies encourage bigotted and xenophobic support, I don't believe that the party itself is overtly racist.
 
Thanks for that.. i will take a look. I've decided i may take more of an interest in politics having read this thread. I hate having my own beliefs but not having enough knowledge to back it up. Im trying to keep up with all the facts and figures about the immigration process which people are posting.

I still cant help but feel that we now need to close our doors and sort out the people that are in this country. I agree whole heartidly that there was room for foreigners (is that a pc term these days?) to come to our country and find work and i have no problem with that. If they contribute to the economy, make attempts to learn the language and work hard then that fine. Its the ones which are being handed out benefits, using our NHS system (which can only just cope for UK residents) and yet givenothing back. I must admit i do feel we should have a system in place like australia. You have to either have money to support yourself, have someone who will sponser you or something to give to their country. Saying that, im sure they have their own problems.

I shall contribute more to this if we have a thread like it next year (may have some facts to back up my beliefs then!)

Claire x
 
Australia is one the biggest hypocrites ever. They have some of the toughest immigration policies, yet fail to remember that they are a relatively new immigrant population livig in a country where the indiginous people are treated like second class citizens (the divide between the Australians and the Aboriginals in parts was awful). America are the same, complaining about immigration and forgetting the land they stole from the Native Americans.
 
beanie said:
Australia is one the biggest hypocrites ever. They have some of the toughest immigration policies, yet fail to remember that they are a relatively new immigrant population livig in a country where the indiginous people are treated like second class citizens (the divide between the Australians and the Aboriginals in parts was awful). America are the same, complaining about immigration and forgetting the land they stole from the Native Americans.

I do agree with that but i still think we should have some sort of process in place to only allow poeple who can contribute to society and not simply take from society. Do you not agree with that or would you continue to allow immigrants who dont have anything to offer to stay here? When do we stop?
 

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