Do you support ideals if BNP?

[purple13]

I'm sorry for your husband's situation, Mary, but the truth is that the building trade, unfortunately, is affected regardless of migration- it's recession that's the problem. Construction is always the first to go, but it'll always pick up again two of my friends have been laid off recently too, and my uncle,it sucks.

I think,when dealing with economic migrants ( I'm not going to touch on refugees etc becasue I doubt anyone has a problem with defenceless men women and children escaping their war torn countries)

Anyway, economic migrants- think carefully. How much criticism directed at them is fair? Very little. They do mainly crap jobs no one else will, such as working in chicken farms. When they do do something wrong, they don't do it because they are Polish/Lithuanian etc, they do it because some people are nice, some aren't,regardless of race.

I've been very disappointed to see the extent of narrowness,gullibility, and yes,racism, amongst some people on this forum. You seem to forget that this country was founded on the backs of slaves,colonialisation,genocide and butchery

There's no point trying to argue against it because it is true. The British empire owned 3/4 of the known world at one point, treating the native inhabitants as less than scum. yet we seem to have learned no lessons, as still we begrudge those less fortunate than ourselves the benefits of this country which their ancestors broke their backs to create.

ZS, your responses are fabulously astute; they always make for intelligent and discerning reading. you've kind of summed the thread up for me so i'm gonna quit posting here now.



beanie - moderator & mediator
kay - you DEF need to be in ZS's political party - you rock!!!

 

[Minxy]

arent the BNP like maaaaaaaaajor extreme patriotic people? is that right or did i make that up?! all this ethnic cleansin and shizz?

me, my mum, my sis and Jam would be fcuked if they were in power cos we iz not totally white

i dunno, jus make people who want to live here work and pay their taxes, no big deal - and get the lazy british asses who whinge theyve got no work to find somethin or be put in a zoo

pretty narrow minded view hun so your saying that all the people that are not working are all lazy i am sure most would be thrilled by those words

Not at all, I read it that she was criticising lazy people, not the unemployed. I work with unemployed people and would be the first to say that the majority are eager and desperate to find gainful employment. There are a lot though, who aren't.

 

[SarahH]

Wow this topic has gone off topic, back on topic, personal, non personal - round and round in circles!

Reading this is like me and my FIL having an argument.... he is a tad on the racist side and it annoys the crap out of me! As his arguments make no sence...

If he joined in here he would too be moaning about all the other nationals coming into the country legal or not - yet he has done the same by moving to the US (albeit he did it legally), yet he is wanting me and Arianna to move now without our papers (which I refuse to do!)

It's amazing how people change their views to suit their own needs

 

[widowwadman]

Your FIL sounds a bit like my dad, Sarah.

 

[mummykay]

mary - i was referring to those who are able bodied, speak english and have no babies to look after that they should be out workin and contributing to their countrys economy and payin their taxes like everybody else does, what gives them the right not to work?

tis abit rude imo

 

[lisa&alex]

[quote="Jade&Evie":2lf6qmh3]
You have just called my daughter's grandfather 'scum' which I find really offensive (I dont think I need to justify that!).
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Sorry, but that's a red herring. Having a family doesn't neccessarily exclude scum-ness. And I think it's wrong not to question or disagree with somebody's beliefs just because they're family. And just because he's the grandfather of your daughter it doesn't make it any better that he's a racist. That's not making any judgement on his grandfatherdom, just on his racism. Fwiw, Goebbels had children he dearly loved and treated well. Still he was Nazi scum. I'm sure his family would have objected to him being called that.

If I was talking to you in real life I probably would have just smacked you and told you to f**k off. Thats being honest and no, I wont apologise for that. You have just compared my FIL to Goebbels... I dont agree with a lot of things, but I wouldn't generalise a whole group of people by calling them 'scum'.

No the fact he's a grandfather doesn't mean he's a good person; but the fact he's a member of the BNP doesn't make him scum. I've said I wont defend their views because I dont agree with them- but I will defend them as people and my family.[/quote:2lf6qmh3]

dont be a tit all your life will you.

 

[mary70]

mary - i was referring to those who are able bodied, speak english and have no babies to look after that they should be out workin and contributing to their countrys economy and payin their taxes like everybody else does, what gives them the right not to work?

tis abit rude imo

totally agree with you there hun but even the above are having a difficult time finding work

 

[beanie]

[quote="Jade&Evie":3i847khq]

[quote="Jade&Evie":3i847khq]
You have just called my daughter's grandfather 'scum' which I find really offensive (I dont think I need to justify that!).
[/size]

Sorry, but that's a red herring. Having a family doesn't neccessarily exclude scum-ness. And I think it's wrong not to question or disagree with somebody's beliefs just because they're family. And just because he's the grandfather of your daughter it doesn't make it any better that he's a racist. That's not making any judgement on his grandfatherdom, just on his racism. Fwiw, Goebbels had children he dearly loved and treated well. Still he was Nazi scum. I'm sure his family would have objected to him being called that.

If I was talking to you in real life I probably would have just smacked you and told you to f**k off. Thats being honest and no, I wont apologise for that. You have just compared my FIL to Goebbels... I dont agree with a lot of things, but I wouldn't generalise a whole group of people by calling them 'scum'.

No the fact he's a grandfather doesn't mean he's a good person; but the fact he's a member of the BNP doesn't make him scum. I've said I wont defend their views because I dont agree with them- but I will defend them as people and my family.[/quote:3i847khq]

dont be a tit all your life will you.[/quote:3i847khq]


I think you missed my post on not making things personal

 

[Jade&Evie]

[quote="Jade&Evie":15d5ur43]

[quote="Jade&Evie":15d5ur43]
You have just called my daughter's grandfather 'scum' which I find really offensive (I dont think I need to justify that!).
[/size]

Sorry, but that's a red herring. Having a family doesn't neccessarily exclude scum-ness. And I think it's wrong not to question or disagree with somebody's beliefs just because they're family. And just because he's the grandfather of your daughter it doesn't make it any better that he's a racist. That's not making any judgement on his grandfatherdom, just on his racism. Fwiw, Goebbels had children he dearly loved and treated well. Still he was Nazi scum. I'm sure his family would have objected to him being called that.

If I was talking to you in real life I probably would have just smacked you and told you to f**k off. Thats being honest and no, I wont apologise for that. You have just compared my FIL to Goebbels... I dont agree with a lot of things, but I wouldn't generalise a whole group of people by calling them 'scum'.

No the fact he's a grandfather doesn't mean he's a good person; but the fact he's a member of the BNP doesn't make him scum. I've said I wont defend their views because I dont agree with them- but I will defend them as people and my family.[/quote:15d5ur43]

dont be a tit all your life will you.[/quote:15d5ur43]

I'll try not to

Fuck Off Please.

 

[mummykay]

totally agree with you there hun but even the above are having a difficult time finding work

ah god yeah totally agree hun, all this shitty credit crunch crap - GET ZS AND ME IN DOWNING STREET!!!

thing is tho like mary said, its gettin hard for people to find jobs - but theres 2different sorts, the ones who WANT to work and the ones who DONT and wanna claim bennys cos the government gives em out willy nilly

 

[SarahH]

there are loads of jobs for those willing to work - maybe not in their desired skill, but you just have to look in the job centre.... the only prob is peoples pride comes into doing some jobs...

if I needed a job, I would take anything if it meant I was working and not claiming beneifts.... even cleaning the bogs on the busiest of high streets

 

[lisa&alex]

[quote="Jade&Evie":33mta6dv]

[quote="Jade&Evie":33mta6dv]
You have just called my daughter's grandfather 'scum' which I find really offensive (I dont think I need to justify that!).
[/size]

Sorry, but that's a red herring. Having a family doesn't neccessarily exclude scum-ness. And I think it's wrong not to question or disagree with somebody's beliefs just because they're family. And just because he's the grandfather of your daughter it doesn't make it any better that he's a racist. That's not making any judgement on his grandfatherdom, just on his racism. Fwiw, Goebbels had children he dearly loved and treated well. Still he was Nazi scum. I'm sure his family would have objected to him being called that.

If I was talking to you in real life I probably would have just smacked you and told you to f**k off. Thats being honest and no, I wont apologise for that. You have just compared my FIL to Goebbels... I dont agree with a lot of things, but I wouldn't generalise a whole group of people by calling them 'scum'.

No the fact he's a grandfather doesn't mean he's a good person; but the fact he's a member of the BNP doesn't make him scum. I've said I wont defend their views because I dont agree with them- but I will defend them as people and my family.

dont be a tit all your life will you.[/quote:33mta6dv]


I think you missed my post on not making things personal[/quote:33mta6dv]

be fair.. there was nothing else to say.. its just rediculous.. it seems she is here just to cause arguments.. people are allowed their opinions.

 

[Jade&Evie]

[quote="lisa&alex":36424t5p][quote="Jade&Evie":36424t5p]

[quote="Jade&Evie":36424t5p]
You have just called my daughter's grandfather 'scum' which I find really offensive (I dont think I need to justify that!).
[/size]

Sorry, but that's a red herring. Having a family doesn't neccessarily exclude scum-ness. And I think it's wrong not to question or disagree with somebody's beliefs just because they're family. And just because he's the grandfather of your daughter it doesn't make it any better that he's a racist. That's not making any judgement on his grandfatherdom, just on his racism. Fwiw, Goebbels had children he dearly loved and treated well. Still he was Nazi scum. I'm sure his family would have objected to him being called that.

If I was talking to you in real life I probably would have just smacked you and told you to f**k off. Thats being honest and no, I wont apologise for that. You have just compared my FIL to Goebbels... I dont agree with a lot of things, but I wouldn't generalise a whole group of people by calling them 'scum'.

No the fact he's a grandfather doesn't mean he's a good person; but the fact he's a member of the BNP doesn't make him scum. I've said I wont defend their views because I dont agree with them- but I will defend them as people and my family.

dont be a tit all your life will you.[/quote:36424t5p]


I think you missed my post on not making things personal[/quote:36424t5p]

be fair.. there was nothing else to say.. its just rediculous.. it seems she is here just to cause arguments.. people are allowed their opinions.[/quote:36424t5p]

bloody hell if I was here to start an argument I'd be treading on pretty thin ice!

I merely pointed out that I know members on the BNP and they are not scum. I took offence to that. I have also pointed out I dont support the BNP so not much to argue about is there lisa.

Now Fuck off back to your pathtic little life and if you really want an argument PM me

 

[mummykay]

u two pack it in cos otherwise the thread will be locked and those of us who wanna talk about the actual content of the topic will be major pissed so meh

 

[SarahH]

u two pack it in cos otherwise the thread will be locked and those of us who wanna talk about the actual content of the topic will be major p*ssed so meh

 

[mary70]

think this thread has gone totally off track and if you look at the pole 1/4 of the people have voted other than no so not everyone agrees and there is other opinions what a SHOCK

 

[lisa&alex]

to answer the question
i dont support the ideals at all..family or not.. and fwiw if i knew anyone who did i wouldnt admit it, or support them in what they believed.

 

[SarahH]

Anyways.... my FIL - he is a tw@t!

 

[beanie]

think this thread has gone totally off track and if you look at the pole 1/4 of the people have voted other than no so not everyone agrees and there is other opinions what a SHOCK

its not a shock to me, I understand that people have different opinions, and that peoplecan disagree with these without it being personal

 

[laetitia85]

I voted No.

My opinion is that

NO ONE PUTS NO ONE OUT OF WORK! I can't stand when people say "Foreigners are brought here to take our jobs".

There are hundreds of thousands of jobs advertised every year in newspapers, agencies, online, etc.!
Jobs are there, but people are picky. It's human, I'm like that too. When there is a job I know I won't like, I don't apply. I've always been like that. Until recently, when I realised that a job is a job, and money is money. I'm now doing a job that I don't particularly like, but I know it's temporary and allows me and my family to survive and enjoy life more than if I didn't have a job at all.

And as i have already said on another thread, most of the people that come here, or that are 'brought here' come from ex-british colonies anyway. After years of slavery, hardship and colonial regime, isn't fair to allow them to make a better life for themselves in the UK?
And when british people go to Africa, Asia and other continents alike to start their oil/gold businesses, I am happy too! because they create even more job opportunities for people in poorer countries and THE WORLD CAN BECOME A BETTER PLACE IF ONLY PEOPLE STOPPED BEING SO DAMN RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!



wooooh!! That felt fantastic!

Love you all girls