Do you support ideals if BNP?

[purple13]

[quote="Jade&Evie":2x3uo7g5]YES I DO! I just feel like on here sometime you have to say the 'right' thing else you get a load of snidey comments thrown at you after....

its not my comments- its any coment that doesnt fit with the majority.

[/quote:2x3uo7g5]

hon, i don't think anyone's been snidey with you at all and there's no need to be defensive

the problem with stating that you have a problem with immigrants coming in and taking 'our' jobs is that you haven't qualified your argument. this being a forum, you then have to expect that you will create a response; by all means come back with a credible and researched response, but don't get offended because people don't agree with you

 

[Minxy]

I haven't posted on these debates but have enjoyed reading them. And I get a bit with people claiming they don't get a free say when i've been REALLY impressed with how successful this debating has been.

For any members upset that the forum is unfair, or one-sided, you know what to do (there's that little red cross in the corner..............

 

[Kittykins]

The Angles didn't like it much when the Saxons turned up, and the Britons (from France) were peed off with both lots of Germans. The Celts weren't impressed by the Romans coming over from Italy, but since they'd invaded from Spain via Ireland in the first place, who were they to talk? Even the first homo sapiens came here from Eastern Europe.

Migration and demographic change is part of being human. People will always want to move where opportunities are better. If this recession worsens, there'll be more than a few British-born people looking to emigrate, and the immigrants will want to go elsewhere. Best way of stopping immigration is to ensure that conditions are so bad that people would rather stay where they are than come here. When petrol's £5 a litre and we can't afford more than one meal a day, at least the BNP will be happy. (The rest of us will be heading for Poland and Bosnia, and be immigrants there)... but as soon as the economy improves again, employers will want to take on more people, the cost of living will go down, and immigration will go up. A high immigration rate is one of the indicators of a strong economy, a high emigration rate is an indicator of a weak economy.

 

[monster_munch]

I voted - but like voting IRL I don't have to tell you what I voted for or why

I expect you're all wondering why I bothered to type this post.... because I can
Now someone fetch me a biscuit, I'm hungry.

 

[Melly+2]

Ive just read that thing on BNP and my goodness, i knew they were racist but not to that extent. Im so naive

 

[purple13]

I voted - but like voting IRL I don't have to tell you what I voted for or why

I expect you're all wondering why I bothered to type this post.... because I can
Now someone fetch me a biscuit, I'm hungry.

the beauty of a democracy

how about a chocolate digestive?

 

[Misslarue]

I don't support the BNP. The majority of their policies are shocking
I do like their stance on crime though, we seriously do need to get tougher on crime. At the moment its a joke.

I always vote, just to get Labour out
However the voting system is all wrong. It doesn't matter what you vote if the majority of your consistency votes a certain way. A true vote would be that everyone votes, its all counted up and whatever party has the most, wins.

 

[beanie]

so u have no problem with these workers coming from abroad and putting people like my husband out of work and people that have lived here all their lives out onto the streets because we cant pay our bills?

My OH is in the building trade and he loves it when people around him complain about the poles and expect him to agree as he is British (his surname ends in ski, and he loves his Polish roots). His Grandad came over following the war and worked incredibly hard in the mines and has spent most of his life here, raising a family and contributing to our society. OH likes working with the Eastern European lot as they are some of the hardest workers around (excuse the general sweeping generalisation). He has also said that if there was work going in Poland he would go. In fact we have been seriously discussing going over to Perth in Oz as there is loads of building work going, so we are just as guilty as wanting to go where the work is to make a better life for my family.

 

[Melly+2]

Could be worse, they could just be coming over here and claiming benifits and doing sod all, people would be pissed off then, so atleast they are working

 

[beanie]

Look this why I didnt mention it before. My address is on that lis as Jon lived here when he joined. He doesnt live here anymore and I do NOT support he BNP which is one reason I dont think it's funny that list has been published.

I'm sorry that that has happened and it is unfair that innocent people might get hurt as a result.

I wasn't going to say anything for fear of people suddenly accusing ME of being a member but my 'FIL' (Jon's Dad) and Jon are both members of the party- there names are on the list and I'm not ashamed of them.

I am clever enough to realise that just because someone who knows a member of the BNP party it does not automatically make them a sympathiser to their cause. My dad was fairly closed mind about certain people but I still loved him. I would have been ashamed of him being a member but he would still have been my dad. I was dreading seeing someone I know on there tbh as it would have affected how I felt about them.

 

[widowwadman]

its people being brought into the country to do the jobs that i have a problem with hun which is rife in the building trade which is the only industry i have any knowledge about

"People brought into the country" are still people who make a choice to go abroad and earn a living there and have a life there. Why does it have to be a "us and them"? People work here, they live here, they're a part of society- just because some have been born here and others haven't it shouldn't make a difference, should it?

 

[mary70]

i take it you dindt see the program on the tv they were bringing builders over by the dozens and as soon as they complained about anything they were on a plane home the same day these arnt people that are coming over here to make a better life for their families under their own steam they are being brough over as cheap labour that keep their mouth shut and yes i do resent them taking my husbands job that he has been to college to do to be able to give his family a living

 

[widowwadman]

You surely can't blame the people who are brought over here and treated like cattle for this, but only those who treat them like cattle.

 

[mary70]

think we are going a little of track here but they have the same choice as everyone else its called yes/no, i think we should just leave it that it is MY opinion that yes i do resent people coming into the country and taking british peoples jobs that british people are quite capable of doing and are not getting the chance to do nothing to do with being a chav or lazy as stated before

 

[Morganuk]

You're free to go anywhere to find work, too, dontchaknow? Do you think actually that people go abroad to work there and don't face any difficulties? Fwiw, I'm sure there are British people who would be able to do my job. I don't feel ashamed for a second that I've got my job though, because I put a lot of effort into it and I'm good at it. Anybody's free to compete for a job. Of course, if you say you don't mean people like me, I'd have to ask why not?

A lot of people leave the UK because there are no jobs here as they are all taken.
Whats wrong with a country wanting to look after its own?
Why should people get pushed out/made to feel like they have to leave because its now in such a state.

I do NOT agree with racism and just because I say we should put are own first does not make me racist.


This may make me sound bad to some of you but I will say that although I have those opinions I do not think that no immigrant shouldn't be allowed in.
My problem is that the amount of people running over here is becoming a joke.
Why cant other countries help out?
I understand a lot leave because of violence etc but why should it all be put on the British government.

I believe only a set amount should be allowed in and the rest given help by another country.
It is getting beyond a joke how many illegal immigrants there are in the country.

 

[Charlie:-)]

BNP members have told BBC News they have received threatening and abusive phone calls and e-mails after a leaked document was published online.

Oh my heart bleeds for the BNP....................like f**k!

Just for the record..anyone who believes the BNP are victims in anyway are absolute idiots! They are scum and i don't use that term lightly.

In case you were wondering I voted no.

 

[mary70]

You're free to go anywhere to find work, too, dontchaknow? Do you think actually that people go abroad to work there and don't face any difficulties? Fwiw, I'm sure there are British people who would be able to do my job. I don't feel ashamed for a second that I've got my job though, because I put a lot of effort into it and I'm good at it. Anybody's free to compete for a job. Of course, if you say you don't mean people like me, I'd have to ask why not?

A lot of people leave the UK because there are no jobs here as they are all taken.
Whats wrong with a country wanting to look after its own?
Why should people get pushed out/made to feel like they have to leave because its now in such a state.

I do NOT agree with racism and just because I say we should put are own first does not make me racist.


This may make me sound bad to some of you but I will say that although I have those opinions I do not think that no immigrant shouldn't be allowed in.
My problem is that the amount of people running over here is becoming a joke.
Why cant other countries help out?
I understand a lot leave because of violence etc but why should it all be put on the British government.

I believe only a set amount should be allowed in and the rest given help by another country.
It is getting beyond a joke how many illegal immigrants there are in the country.

 

[Morganuk]

BNP members have told BBC News they have received threatening and abusive phone calls and e-mails after a leaked document was published online.

Oh my heart bleeds for the BNP....................like f**k!

Just for the record..anyone who believes the BNP are victims in anyway are absolute idiots! They are scum and i don't use that term lightly.

In case you were wondering I voted no.

I dont believe everything but calling people scum because they have a belief is out of order.

 

[SarahH]

think we are going a little of track here but they have the same choice as everyone else its called yes/no, i think we should just leave it that it is MY opinion that yes i do resent people coming into the country and taking british peoples jobs that british people are quite capable of doing and are not getting the chance to do nothing to do with being a chav or lazy as stated before

Eeek!! If every country thought like that my hubby would be fooked!

 

[purple13]

My problem is that the amount of people running over here is becoming a joke.
Why cant other countries help out?
I understand a lot leave because of violence etc but why should it all be put on the British government.

I believe only a set amount should be allowed in and the rest given help by another country.
It is getting beyond a joke how many illegal immigrants there are in the country.

i think you may have your immigrants / illegal immigrants / asylum seekers all muddled up. the 3 are quite separate issues. beanie posted some v interesting facts & figures earlier in the thread.

here are some other facts that may interest you (dating from 2006 - its difficult to get more recent figures):

* There are between 310,000 and 570,000 illegal immigrants in the UK, according to Home Office estimates
* If allowed to live legally, they would pay more than £1bn in tax each year
* Deporting them would cost £4.7bn and leave acute shortages of cleaners, care workers and hotel staff. If allowed to stay, the net benefit of nearly £6bn would pay for 300 new schools, 12 district hospitals or 200,000 new nurses

* Nearly 50% of foreign-born immigrants leave Britain within five years
* Migrants fill 90% of low-paid jobs in London and account for 29% of the capital's workforce. London is the UK's fastest-growing region
* Legal migrants comprise 8.7% of the population, but contribute 10.2% of all taxes. Each immigrant pays an average of £7,203 in tax, compared with £6,861 for non-migrant workers

* There were 25,715 people claiming asylum last year. If allowed to work, they would generate £123m for the Treasury

just to add though, i'm afraid i agree that BNP party members (who, by inference, subscribe to the BNP's manifesto and fund its spokespeople) are, at best, desperately uneducated, and at worst (like nick erikson & nick griffin) really pretty scummy.