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Freya said:
PinkPunch said:
I would like to let you know where I stand on this (I sound like Im from Dragons Den now lol).. because I believe in the Lord Jesus, anyone who has not accepted him as their saviour is not saved and will not be able to enter heaven. Regardless of what religion / tradition / rituals you take part in.. only Jesus can save.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14 v 6.

I think its good that we don't avoid these kind of conversations btw :D

I am a catholic my daughter goes to a catholic school BUT I personally don't belive the above (sorry :oops: ) I know some of my friends do. I think my God will save people who live good honest lives - whatever they do or don't believe. That is just what I believe though.

I love talking with people who follow or believe in something because I think that makes them passionate about life (If you know what I mean). I also feel that the more I understand about other religions the more educated I become and rightly or wrongly I think they are all connected in some way.
Sorry for waffling :oops:

I have to admit that is very much how I view things... well said Freya :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Freya said:
I think my God will save people who live good honest lives - whatever they do or don't believe. That is just what I believe though.

I love talking with people who follow or believe in something because I think that makes them passionate about life (If you know what I mean). I also feel that the more I understand about other religions the more educated I become and rightly or wrongly I think they are all connected in some way.
Sorry for waffling :oops:

:clap: well said.. this is exactly same as what I believe :hug:
 
Sweetcheeks24 said:
Freya said:
I think my God will save people who live good honest lives - whatever they do or don't believe. That is just what I believe though.

I love talking with people who follow or believe in something because I think that makes them passionate about life (If you know what I mean). I also feel that the more I understand about other religions the more educated I become and rightly or wrongly I think they are all connected in some way.
Sorry for waffling :oops:

:clap: well said.. this is exactly same as what I believe :hug:

I too would like to think thats what will happen.
 
yes....you will go to a hell that is full of giant talking rampant rabbits who will torment you with their vibrations for eternity :rotfl:

I really like the idea that Freya has too, I have a very scientific and historical view of religion and deity, but I am a spiritualist pagan so I definitely believe there is "something", the force and power that I see and feel in the world is nature and the connection we all have to it and eachother, I believe we are all Gods and Goddesses (im also slightly panthiestic lol) as the spirit we have inside has more power than we know. So while I reject the idea of a God with a personality and intelligence, I am deeply spiritual and also think that being a good person, and living a good life, will take us to heaven....whatever that may be.
 
I agree GGG, I feel that too, apart from I wonder what about the people who don't lead honest lives? Maybe it's through no fault of their own as they have abusive parents and horrendous childhoods which in turn leads them into being horrible people but only because of the terrible influence they have had.
I wonder if they would go to the same place the good people go?
 
HappyAlice said:
I agree GGG, I feel that too, apart from I wonder what about the people who don't lead honest lives? Maybe it's through no fault of their own as they have abusive parents and horrendous childhoods which in turn leads them into being horrible people but only because of the terrible influence they have had.
I wonder if they would go to the same place the good people go?

Thats an interesting question and it would be very interesting to see the different viewpoints on this one!

Personally, I'm not 100% sure what I believe on that one, but I "think" that we are all born good, its just some of us have experiences and lessons as young children that teach us to be bad. I do believe though, that as we become adults, we can make the choice to be better people, its just some people choose not to. Its those that know they could be better people but enjoy being bad, that will have problems after death (either hell or a nasty re-incarnation, depending on what you believe I suppose) but those who have good intent...who make the effort to be better people, regardless of past crimes, could go somewhere better.
 
I believe all humans are born with the capacity to be inherently evil.... or at least have an apathy towards our fellow humans and creatures.

I think its too simple to say we are all born good, but instead are born neutral, neither good nor evil... but innocent ... because you will have some people who have the most terrible childhoods, yet grow up to be the most wonderful people, yet others who have the most wonderful childhoods and grow up to be the most terrible people. As there seems to be no "regulation" as to why people become bad, then it must be that we are all capable of becoming bad. Its just we choose not to, we have a choice. No one forces someone to rape another woman, or sell drugs to kids. The choices we made during our lives has brought us to that point.

For whatever reason we choose not to do something "bad" we are all guilty at having some form of apathy when we see what is happening to other people around the world. Incidents that should have all of us kicking the door's in to nº10 demanding something be done now... instead have us thanking our "gods" that it's not happening to us. Or we choose to turn a blind eye to it.

I personally don't believe in hell... I think if we do do something wrong or evil so to speak, then we will live our hell on earth, our cummupance comes to us later. I am also a believer in reincarnation, and believe they go on to experience difficult lives, where the things they experience in their young lives is a way of guiding them, teaching them the lessons they didn't want to learn previously. But again it comes down to choosing to learn.

After all I bet many people look back on things that happened in the past and come away from these experiences having learnt a "lesson" so to speak. That's what life is all about.
 
Firstly....because while I believe Jesus existed, I also know the historical facts. Any emporar of Rome at his time was refered to as a "Son of God" because they were the only ones with the "authority" to speak on Gods behalf. When Jesus began his prophesising, preaching and healing (something many people do today) he was not the only one - there were a few about - but his followers began calling him "Son of God" in reference to his leadership of them, his seemingly divine powers, and perhaps as an intentional insult to the Roman Emperor of the time. That is why he was crucified....he grew too popular and was used as an example to others like him.

Thank you so much for your post :D

Augustus was seen as a God (like other "Gods" today) as was others but that doesn't take away the fact that Jesus was the true God.. how come? he was prophied to come to earth and so far, everything has happened and there is more to come!

His birth was prophesied in the Old testament, hundreds of years before his birth. (Sorry for the length)

PROPHECY:
Jesus Birth
Gen. 3:15, "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

FULFILLED:
Matt. 1:20, "But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, 'Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.'"

PROPHECY:
Born of a Virgin
Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

FULFILLED:
Matt. 1:18,25, "This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary...was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit... But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus."

PROPHECY
Son of God
Psalm 2:7, "I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, 'You are my Son, today I have become your Father.'"

FULFILLED:
Matt. 3:15, "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"

PROPHECY:
Seed of Abraham
Gen. 22:18, "and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

FULFILLED:
Matt. 1:1, "record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham."

PROPHECY:
Son of Isaac
Gen. 21:12, "But God said to him, 'Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.'"

FULFILLED:
Luke 3:23-34, "Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli...the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor."

PROPHECY:
House of David
Jer. 23:1, "The days are coming, declares the LORD, 'when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.'"

FULFILLED:
Luke 3:23-31, "Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli...the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David."

PROPHECY:
Born at Bethlehem
Micah 5:2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

FULFILLED:
Matt. 2:1, "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem."

PROPHECY:
He shall be a Prophet
Deut. 18:18, "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."

FULFILLED:
Matt. 21:11,"The crowds answered, 'This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.'"

PROPHECY:
He shall be a Priest
Psalm 110:4, "The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.'"

FULFILLED:
Heb. 3:1, "Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess."
Heb. 5:5-6, "So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father.' And he says in another place, 'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.'"

PROPHECY:
He shall be a King
Psalm 2:6, "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill."

FULFILLED:
Matt. 27:37, "Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS."


PROPHECY:
He shall judge
Isaiah 33:22, "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us."

FULFILLED:
John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."

PROPHECY:
He would be preceded by a Messenger
Isaiah 40:3, "A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'"

FULFILLED:
Matt. 3:1-2, "In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea and saying, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.'"

PROPHECY:
Rejected by His own people
Isaiah 53:3, "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not."

FULFILLED:
John 7:5, "For even his own brothers did not believe in him."
John 7:48, "Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?"


PROPHECY:
His side pierced
Zech. 12:10, "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one mourns for an only son."

FULFILLED:
John 19:34, "Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water."

PROPHECY:
Crucifixion
Psalm 22:1, Psalm 22:11-18, "For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?...Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan. Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing."

FULFILLED:
Luke 23:33, "When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals -- one on his right, the other on his left."
John 19:33, "But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs."
John 19:23-24, "When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom. 'Let's not tear it,' they said to one another. 'Let's decide by lot who will get it.' This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled which said, 'They divided my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.' So this is what the soldiers did."
 
that being a good person, and living a good life, will take us to heaven....whatever that may be.

Remember the thief on the cross next to Jesus? He was a criminal being sentenced for this crimes. He was not a good person and yet once he believed on Jesus, he went to heaven to be with Christ.

42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
 
PinkPunch said:
that being a good person, and living a good life, will take us to heaven....whatever that may be.

Remember the thief on the cross next to Jesus? He was a criminal being sentenced for this crimes. He was not a good person and yet once he believed on Jesus, he went to heaven to be with Christ.

42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

So your telling me a peadophile could go around messing with kids, a mass murderer could murder a thousand people and a rapist could rape hundreds of girls but as long as they believe in Jesus right before they die they are saved.. well if thats the contents of heaven I'll be happy in hell :wall:

I like to think of myself as a Christian and like i've said I was brought up in the Church but lately I've been questioning a lot of things, even this thread making me think about things differently :think:
 
It's a nice story, but there is doubt in my mind that any of it is true. It is a product of imagination, a story, a myth.
 
So your telling me a peadophile could go around messing with kids, a mass murderer could murder a thousand people and a rapist could rape hundreds of girls but as long as they believe in Jesus right before they die they are saved

In one word yes. Do you think saying "sorry Jesus, I believe" before your death is some kind of magic word that lets you into heaven? Of course not. Jesus knows everyones heart and whether or not they are sincere and if they truely believe.

Even we don't know everyones heart, Jesus is the only judge.
 
It's a nice story, but there is doubt in my mind that any of it is true. It is a product of imagination, a story, a myth

Which part? That Jesus didn't exist? he didn't really die on the cross? the thief didn't say that at all?
 
They regularly tell my cousins young child how they will have to work hard to get out of hell as again

Thats nonsense in my opinion.
 
I personally, and this may offend some, think that the bible is fiction. I don't believe in heaven, hell, god, the devil, Adam, Eve etc etc.

I do, however, occasionally like to visit my local Cathedral, and find it a peaceful spiritual place, and find comfort there.

I don't know what happens when we die or why we are here, but I don't think nothing happens.

I believe in spirits, guardian angels and karma. I believe in reincarnation, but also that I'll see my passed loved ones again one day. None of it makes sense and I can't make sense of it - but am hoping it'll all make sense one day!

If I can't make sense of it all, how come other people can?
 
I personally, and this may offend some, think that the bible is fiction. I don't believe in heaven, hell, god, the devil, Adam, Eve etc etc.

Thats not one bit offensive at all Alice :)

How come you believe in spirits and guardian angels and not in hell or the devil? This is just my thoughts but maybe your choosing to believe in the nice things because you perfer them?
 
PinkPunch said:
I personally, and this may offend some, think that the bible is fiction. I don't believe in heaven, hell, god, the devil, Adam, Eve etc etc.

Thats not one bit offensive at all Alice :)

How come you believe in spirits and guardian angels and not in hell or the devil? This is just my thoughts but maybe your choosing to believe in the nice things because you perfer them?

you have a point - I can't explain why I believe in guardian angels, only that I sometimes feel that kind of presence, as for the spirits, not all of them are good so it's not that I prefer them.
But I am aware that my belief I will see loved ones again might only be because I really want to - what if we don't :shock:
 

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