PinkPunch
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Ok there are two distinctions here.Sleep well Pink Punch...
What I am trying to say is that it seems there is one rule for one and another for someone else. While Adam becomes Christian because he accepts God but didn't accept Christ, other biblical figures... such as Moses don't have the same privilege because they didn't accept Christ, even though Christ didn't exist... (ok did that make any sense)... because they are Jews.
1) Before Jesus came to earth - How did people get to heaven? Well we know these men went to heaven/paradise 'Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah' but how? They did not know about Jesus yet. Romans 4v3 says "3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
So although he hadn't heard of "Jesus".. he believed in God and is now in heaven.
Take a look at Psalm 19v1-4 "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork.ÊDay unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world."
So even the heathens who had never heard of Jesus acknowledged that there was a creator because of all the haniwork they saw in the beauty of creation.
2) Now that Jesus has come - how do we get to heaven? This is were there is no inconsistency that you talked about because after Jesus came, the only way we can get to heaven is to... believe in God (that there is a designed / creator) and acknowledge Jesus was the son of God who became flesh for us.
and just because Hitler said he was a Christian, you think he was? God is the only one who really knows. I could easily say "Im a christian, I go to church" but that doesnt necessarily mean i have given my life to God. Know what I mean? Theres too much emphasis on this word "Christian" - its a change of heart, not a title.I have made several references to people who the world consider evil but Christian non the less...
You want someone to tell you whether or not someone like Hitler went to heaven or hell? God is the only judge, how would I know hitlers heart? although im guessing hes not in heaven but again, thats not up to me to decide.yet no one has been able to confirm to me whether they get to live in heaven?
I look at it a totally different way Your saying, that its ridiculous of God to let "bad" people into heaven and let "good" people go to hell.. when God is so loving and so gracious to let EVERYONE into his kingdom!!The question is can a truly evil people get into heaven, even if they repent... yet good people (and I mean really good ones... ones that change the world for the better, save lives etc)... go to hell. I think its this reason I left Christianity... I could not understand how a God that was forgiving and loving and caring as the bible protests him to be (New Testament) could possibly allow such injustice and evil to prevail in his own house... and in turn destroys the validity of the words he supposedly lays down in the book Christians use to back this argument up.
e.g a murder and someone who looks after orphaned children.. both may have different lifestyles and you would assume that God should only let the good lady go to heaven and let the other one suffer.. but jesus died for "all" - the kind lady has every opportunity to accpet Jesus, its her descision if she decides not to. Its got nothing to do with the murder.