Lowering abortion limits

[fran_23]

you are obviously not getting my point- ok read this carefully-

from what i understand YOUR view is that she doesn't have a good enough reason to abort- MY view is that you should keep your mouth shut and not tell her that view because it is upsetting enough deciding that in the first place..sometimes you just have to learn that keeping your view to yourself is the best thing in certain situations to spare someones feelings.

thats it end of- i just thought it was something you could have kept to yourself.

 

[abcd1234]

If its upset you then thats fine, if i've upset amathyst then i appologise,

END OF

 

[ShineyHappyPeople]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

 

[fran_23]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

but realistically unplanned pregnancies occur where contraception has failed.

 

[Krystal]

you are obviously not getting my point- ok read this carefully-

from what i understand YOUR view is that she doesn't have a good enough reason to abort- MY view is that you should keep your mouth shut and not tell her that view because it is upsetting enough deciding that in the first place..sometimes you just have to learn that keeping your view to yourself is the best thing in certain situations to spare someones feelings.

thats it end of- i just thought it was something you could have kept to yourself.

To be fair if Amethyst didn't want views on her situation she wouldn't have posted about it on an abortion thread where people are dicussing why or why not they think an abortion should be performed and there was no argment about the previous comments until yours and to tell someone to shut up and read carefully is rude.

 

[Squiglet]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

but realistically unplanned pregnancies occur where contraception has failed.

Sadly SHP is right... Part of the risk of having sex is having a baby... after all we know that part of the risk of jumping out of plane is that the shoot fails and you plummet to your death and for those reasons many people who don't want to die... don't take that risk...

If you don't want to have kids... don't take the risk... or make dam sure your contraception doesn't fail..

 

[zebrastripes]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

With all due respect, that is completely unrealistic. What about people who never want children, should they forgo the right to have sex? What about married couples who don't want a child for another few years, or have completed their families? What about people in relationships where sex plays a big part, but families, as yet, don't? They're just meant to abstain?

 

[fran_23]

you are obviously not getting my point- ok read this carefully-

from what i understand YOUR view is that she doesn't have a good enough reason to abort- MY view is that you should keep your mouth shut and not tell her that view because it is upsetting enough deciding that in the first place..sometimes you just have to learn that keeping your view to yourself is the best thing in certain situations to spare someones feelings.

thats it end of- i just thought it was something you could have kept to yourself.

To be fair if Amethyst didn't want views on her situation she wouldn't have posted about it on an abortion thread where people are dicussing why or why not they think an abortion should be performed and there was no argment about the previous comments until yours and to tell someone to shut up and read carefully is rude.

yes it was rude that is true. i also think it was rude to tell somebody they did not have enough reason to have an abortion but there you go.

 

[abcd1234]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

With all due respect, that is completely unrealistic. What about people who never want children, should they forgo the right to have sex? What about married couples who don't want a child for another few years, or have completed their families? What about people in relationships where sex plays a big part, but families, as yet, don't? They're just meant to abstain?

Not my personal view but when we were taught about sex etc we were always told that if you arnt grown up enough to accept the consiquences of sex you're not grown up enough for sex iteself.

 

[ShineyHappyPeople]

but realistically unplanned pregnancies occur where contraception has failed.

In this day and age we all know contraception can fail. If you can't cope with a baby, dont make one.

 

[fran_23]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

but realistically unplanned pregnancies occur where contraception has failed.

Sadly SHP is right... Part of the risk of having sex is having a baby... after all we know that part of the risk of jumping out of plane is that the shoot fails and you plummet to your death and for those reasons many people who don't want to die... don't take that risk...

If you don't want to have kids... don't take the risk... or make dam sure your contraception doesn't fail..

well i fell pregnant with hayden when i was on the pill, i'd been on it for years the only time i knew it had failed was when i found out i was pregnant- so its a bit unrealistic to say that you should make sure your contraception doesn't fail..you don't know its failed until you fall pregnant do you?

 

[Krystal]

yes it was rude that is true. i also think it was rude to tell somebody they did not have enough reason to have an abortion but there you go.

I agree with you, it's not appropriate and I even mentioned it earlier in the thread I just think that it's being debated and we should try not to let it go down the road of insults and arguments

As for not having sex the only way of preventing a pregnancy.. I agree with ZS. It's not realistic. What is realistic though is if someone is concerned enough to know they do not want children then they do need to take more responsibility for watching their cycles etc and being more aware of their own body so if an accident does happen they find out as soon as possible. Again there are always going to be exceptions where someone continues to have periods but I guess thats the problem with setting any sort of rules on the Abortion limit, it covers such a vast amount of situations.

 

[zebrastripes]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

With all due respect, that is completely unrealistic. What about people who never want children, should they forgo the right to have sex? What about married couples who don't want a child for another few years, or have completed their families? What about people in relationships where sex plays a big part, but families, as yet, don't? They're just meant to abstain?

Not my personal view but when we were taught about sex etc we were always told that if you arnt grown up enough to accept the consiquences of sex you're not grown up enough for sex iteself.

I agree with that to an extent, but it is very black and white, fair enough if one has been careless, promiscuos etc, and it is a good way to warn younger people about the consequences of having sex, but in all honesty it hardly applies to people who have made intelligent, informed choices in regards to their family planning, does it? Imagine telling a 35 year old woman who has decided she does not want a child that she is not "grown up enough" to have sex

 

[LilysMummy]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

With all due respect, that is completely unrealistic. What about people who never want children, should they forgo the right to have sex? What about married couples who don't want a child for another few years, or have completed their families? What about people in relationships where sex plays a big part, but families, as yet, don't? They're just meant to abstain?

Not my personal view but when we were taught about sex etc we were always told that if you arnt grown up enough to accept the consiquences of sex you're not grown up enough for sex iteself.

Not true really is it. At 16 I had been in a relationship for 3yrs and was ready within that relationship t ohave sex WITH contreception but I was NOT ready for a baby if it occured. At 20 I have just had my first baby and I am in the biggest learning curve EVER. I know sex can lead to a baby but it doesnt always really so no you cant wait untill your ready to have a baby to have sex for the first time.

 

[ShineyHappyPeople]

What about people who never want children, should they forgo the right to have sex? What about married couples who don't want a child for another few years, or have completed their families? What about people in relationships where sex plays a big part, but families, as yet, don't? They're just meant to abstain?

All I'm saying is that pregnancy is highly likely if in those case they are regularly having sex and I don't think a baby should be disguarded as soon as it happens becauseits sort of envitable.

Just because a couple is "not yet ready" or "has enough children" doesn't mean their consequence should just be erased. If a couple really didn't want kids, or had enough - get the snip or something. I don't think abortion is treated as the very last resort but just another option out there.

 

[zebrastripes]

but realistically unplanned pregnancies occur where contraception has failed.

In this day and age we all know contraception can fail. If you can't cope with a baby, dont make one.

Do you actually read anyone else's posts and take not of anyone else's opinions or do you just go ahead and post without too much thought in the matter? Because what if you simply don't want a child, ever, or just for the time being? What if you could cope perfectly well with a baby but simply don't want one You are meant to abstain for years?

example, a married couple, living in a tiny flat. In say 5 years time they know they will have the finances to move house and have a child but until then they don't want one. They should just not have sex, for 5 years?

 

[fran_23]

yes it was rude that is true. i also think it was rude to tell somebody they did not have enough reason to have an abortion but there you go.

I agree with you, it's not appropriate and I even mentioned it earlier in the thread I just think that it's being debated and we should try not to let it go down the road of insults and arguments

yep totally agree..its all done and dusted now and i appreciate that i should not have said something so rude.

 

[abcd1234]

surely 16 weeks (well, 10ish weeks by the time the woman finds out about the pregnancy) is enough time for a woman to decide weather she wants the baby or not?

The best time to decide whether you want a baby or not is before you have sex

With all due respect, that is completely unrealistic. What about people who never want children, should they forgo the right to have sex? What about married couples who don't want a child for another few years, or have completed their families? What about people in relationships where sex plays a big part, but families, as yet, don't? They're just meant to abstain?

Not my personal view but when we were taught about sex etc we were always told that if you arnt grown up enough to accept the consiquences of sex you're not grown up enough for sex iteself.

I agree with that to an extent, but it is very black and white, fair enough if one has been careless, promiscuos etc, and it is a good way to warn younger people about the consequences of having sex, but in all honesty it hardly applies to people who have made intelligent, informed choices in regards to their family planning, does it? Imagine telling a 35 year old woman who has decided she does not want a child that she is not "grown up enough" to have sex

Oh i agree, my mum got pregnant at 35 after having her tubes done, no-one could say she hadnt taken responsibility for her contraception.

However my mum beleives in fate and kept the baby, i know others wouldnt and in situations like that no-one could say they'd been irrisponsible in getting pregnant

 

[ShineyHappyPeople]

Imagine telling a 35 year old woman who has decided she does not want a child that she is not "grown up enough" to have sex

No, but she can have a hysterectomy if she didn't want any and have as much sex as she wanted.

 

[LilysMummy]

Imagine telling a 35 year old woman who has decided she does not want a child that she is not "grown up enough" to have sex

No, but she can have a hysterectomy if she didn't want any and have as much sex as she wanted.

I cant believe you just said that

Have a major operation just so there is no chance of getting pregnant!

Im speachless!

No doctor in theie right mind would authorise that anyway!