significant new development on maddie

[mrs h]

Can the mccanns not be forced to take a lie detector test to either prove innocence/guilt for once and for all?

 

[fran_23]

you know that lie detection technique
where your eyes look one way when you remember
an actual event and another way when you make it up...
well watch kate mcCANNS eyes when she spoke at the
press conference asking an abductor
to not hurt maddie..and let them know whats happened to her.

she seems to recall an actual event i
only saw this footage earlier and felt her body
language/eye contact etc to be cold.

not saying they did it...just its the first time i've noted her
reaction as odd it freaked me out a little.

i cant explain this thing properly but i'm sure u get the idea..

 

[beanie]

Can the mccanns not be forced to take a lie detector test to either prove innocence/guilt for once and for all?

Not reliable enough to be used as admissable evidence, unless its on the Jeremy Kyle show where he likes to hear both sides of the story.

 

[fran_23]

not making light of this in anyway shape or form..but
i can just imagine jezza now....

" surely madam to leave 3 young kids like that is
an abomination...i just tell it how it is.."

 

[*saulino*]

poor thing ive got goosbumps

 

[happy-chick]

I'm still have a feeling the parents had something to do with it & have since the start, i really hope I'm wrong...

I hope its over soon and Maddie can rest in peace

 

[enn]

my bf said from the start he thinks they had something to do with it.

im sure murat used their hire car aswell as the mccanns using it. think car was under the mcanns. several months ago im sure he was using it the news reported.

 

[Robyn_]

poor little girl basically,
if the parents did do it i agree with budge basically, they will be so hated its unreal.

how could anyone
and
mum said to me that she had to go through ivf to get her children?
is that true?

 

[Toxic_Angel]

I personaly think it was madelines parents. Firstly for leaving their children on their own while they enjoy a dinner at restuaraunt despite the fact that they were only over the road i think it was wrong, I could never do that. I do think they had something to do with her death/going missin.
They tried sayin they checked on them 3 times, wich of course they didnt, only the once. There was also a rumour going round a while ago that someone may have taken her to sell her, but surely if someone was going to sell a child they would of taken a younger one wich cudnt talk or ask where mummy or daddy is. From the start i knew there was something they wernt telling people. When news people ask her mum questions she just keeps her head down an the guy answers, I think she has something to hide. If they dont get charged for murder i hope they get charged for neglect an i hope the twins go to a better family, I'm not judging them as parents but who in hell would be so selfish to leave their children without a adult wheither they were asleep or not to go have a meal. I think its horrible they did that, As for the DNA found in the car, it wouldnt of been whoever hired the car before that as they would have already have checked that, then it comes back the 2 of them. I think they killed her accident or not accident they hid her body an tried to cover up their guilt by telling themselves she was missing an hoping problem would solve itself. It anoys me when people say they didnt do it. when obviously they must of done it or had some part in it. how else would her DNA be in the boot of their hire car weeks after she went missin. its not possible to have been transfered from anything. An now their offering her a 2 year max prison sentence if she admits to accidently killin her, but what if she did it on purpose shes practicly gettin away with it. The way i see it that poor little girl who has barely lived her life has had her life takn by her parents whether it was them or not. they shouldnt of left their kids. no parents who loved their children would. sorry for long rant.

 

[Sammystar]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article ... 35,00.html



Trial by media.......

KEEP LOOKING FOR MADELEINE!

 

[Urchin]

The BBC Reports

Forensic investigator Professor David Barclay, who specialises in cold cases, said blood found in the couple's hire car could conceivably be from their twins.

He told BBC East Midlands Today that siblings can share as many as 15 out of 20 DNA indicators.

I'm still keeping an open mind.

 

[little*red]

The BBC Reports

Forensic investigator Professor David Barclay, who specialises in cold cases, said blood found in the couple's hire car could conceivably be from their twins.

He told BBC East Midlands Today that siblings can share as many as 15 out of 20 DNA indicators.

I'm still keeping an open mind.

This is what i was saying to brian the other day, Sibling DNA is so similar.

I just think the forensic was so haphazard that even if they did find good evidence it might be hard to justify it in court as it looks like a lot of cross contamination went on during the search. Ive got a forensic science degree so i know how easy it is to muck up a science especially if you dont know what your doing, its nothing like those CSI programs where they swan in and have no protective gear on.
Any decent lawyer could easily shoot down the forensic science evidence if its too minute.

 

[Rosebay]

Ok now I'm probably thinking about this too much but if the little girl was dead when she was in the boot (and this was 5 weeks after she went missing) how would there be blood in the boot? I mean I don't know much about what happens to the body after death but surely there wouldn't be blood about at that point? And for that matter how would there be blood if she was just overdosed anyway?

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[Sammystar]

The BBC Reports

Forensic investigator Professor David Barclay, who specialises in cold cases, said blood found in the couple's hire car could conceivably be from their twins.

He told BBC East Midlands Today that siblings can share as many as 15 out of 20 DNA indicators.

I'm still keeping an open mind.

This is what i was saying to brian the other day, Sibling DNA is so similar.

I just think the forensic was so haphazard that even if they did find good evidence it might be hard to justify it in court as it looks like a lot of cross contamination went on during the search. Ive got a forensic science degree so i know how easy it is to muck up a science especially if you dont know what your doing, its nothing like those CSI programs where they swan in and have no protective gear on.
Any decent lawyer could easily shoot down the forensic science evidence if its too minute.

I know very little about DNA profiling, but I do think the 'evidence' they have is pretty weak, from what I've been reading.

I'm convinced the Portugese police are about to bring charges though. They seem very determined.

Logic still tells me the parents couldn't have done it though.......

 

[little*red]

Ok now I'm probably thinking about this too much but if the little girl was dead when she was in the boot (and this was 5 weeks after she went missing) how would there be blood in the boot? I mean I don't know much about what happens to the body after death but surely there wouldn't be blood about at that point? And for that matter how would there be blood if she was just overdosed anyway?

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If she didnt have any wounds in anyway and it was a straightforward overdose with no other 'accidents' then the blood wouldnt come out of the body, it would merely cool and basically clot.
However if she had a cut or something then, even 5 weeks after the death the blood would dry but could have flaked and they can still test dry blood. However if this was the case then their isnt going to be big huge pools of blood in the car, we are probably talking about a few 'drops' of blood at the very most .

I wonder what they used as madelines 'sample' dna in the first place?

 

[Squiglet]

Ok now I'm probably thinking about this too much but if the little girl was dead when she was in the boot (and this was 5 weeks after she went missing) how would there be blood in the boot? I mean I don't know much about what happens to the body after death but surely there wouldn't be blood about at that point? And for that matter how would there be blood if she was just overdosed anyway?

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If she had been dead 5 weeks before she was put in the back of the car, Madaline's body would have been terribly decomposed. In fact, if she was in the suitcase, as some people have suggested, the smell would have been horrific, which throws some doubt on the subject.

Decomposition of a human body is quite violent, and the body will rupture certain organs which would lead to blood being evident on a corpse. Which would then be Cadaver blood.

http://www.rusnecro.com/english/article ... rticle.htm

This is a good article, but it's pretty clinical and might not be appropriate for some people... just warning peeps in case I get flamed.

That saying sibling DNA is extremely similar if both parents are the same. But it would depend on how decomposed the DNA sample from the boot is and whether or not they can get a DNA sample from the McCann Twins. If the parents are innocent, I should think that they would be more than happy to help.

But why it was in the car boot I don't know... I know there has been alot of stuff on hear about "we are not all perfect parents" and I agree... but most parents don't make the habit of putting their kids in the car boot.. Although I suppose one of the twins could have been playing in there... ???

It's all speculation at the end of the day... let keep the pitchforks and torches for the end of any trial?

 

[beth3735]

I said to my hubby today that if they are found out to of killed their own daughter and to of faked to the world about their missing daughter just to get sympathy and donations.
Well with the donations that hit well over 1 million ££££ i feel that they should be ordered to give up what is still left in the meddie funds and pass it to a proper charity like the missing peoples one.

My hubby said they wont be made to give up any of the money still not spent which i think is ridiculous.

Imagine what the pope and George Bush is thinking. They will be mega pi**ed off that they have been made a mug of too.
Poor little Madeline, What a way to go, What a way to be last remembered. Lets just hope not for the parents sake but for Madelines sake that maybe this is all speculation and she is still alive.

I have no feelings at the moment for her parents till it is 100% proved they didnt do this. I think they are very suspisous and non emotional apart from once when they got off the plane. But maybe that is because they realised the reality of their mistake.

But how the hell can you call overdosing your child to sedate them for a meal an accident

 

[BabyLove]

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[little*red]

Squiglet thats a fab link.

Seriously though im not to sure on this whole 5 weeks with a dead body. Obviously it is plausable, but as squiglet said a 5 week old corpse would be mess.
the only way it would be able to put into a car boot at that stage is if it was wrapped up in protective material. In that case how would blood escape? and if blood was escaping so would other bodily fluids.
the body would be covered in insects (which lay eggs) and none of this was found. obviuosly all that depends on where the body was held for 5 weeks, a body decomposes quickly in open air, slower when buried and the slowest when in water.
also as squiglet said where ever the body was kept if would smell absolutelty vile, i dont understand how nobody would have reported a bad smell, but if it was kept outside it the scent would attract wild animals.

I really dont think the McCanss had time to plan all this out, especially if it was all done out of a state of panic .

 

[Princess_Puddles]

Im not sure what to believe either!

The BBC Reports

Forensic investigator Professor David Barclay, who specialises in cold cases, said blood found in the couple's hire car could conceivably be from their twins.

He told BBC East Midlands Today that siblings can share as many as 15 out of 20 DNA indicators.

I'm still keeping an open mind.

But even still why would one of the twins be in the boot of the car??