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Poor baby Ivy =o( *Anyone can help with symptoms?bottom pg1*

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Shes such a happy little thing but some days (like today) she screams and crys really really badly. I think shes got wind again but she seems to be in such pain her little face is going red and shes screwing her legs up and really kicking. Shes not good at bringing up wind infact she only started burping last weekend when I tried giving her infacol so now she sometimes burps but she seems to want to keep them like she will get a prize or something! Shes just in so much pain its obvious if i hold her and pat her back she settles but she still kind of yelps out little crys because shes hurting. :( Is there anything else I can do to ease this off a bit or do you think she might have a bad tummy or something? I know shes not just crying becauses shes grouchie there certainly is something there thats hurting her. Its not like her to be upset she only really crys when shes hungry,wants changing or a cuddle its unlike her to cry just for crying. :(
 
Ooh poor Ivy that sounds awful.

Keep going with the infacol it does take a good few days to start working properly and you need to be consistent with it and remember to give it before every feed. If that doesnt seem to be working then try Colief.

If that doesnt work then I would go to the Dr or maybe give gripe water a go but I dont think you can use gripe water till a certain age, not sure how old they need to be but it will say on the packaging.
 
Poor Ivy :( Give her hugs from me & Miss Evie :hug:

Sounds like colic :( xxx
 
Poor ivy. I got colocynth for colic and it made joe fart for Scotland. Thats might help her. Its homeopathic and can be purchased in boots, not sure where else.
 
I don't really know much about reflux's but some of the things seem to link pretty well with what I have thought as normal "baby like" behavior? Some of the things she does are;-

Rolling her eyes
Arching her back when being winded
Wobbleing her head and throwing it back really fast (she does this so hard that I find it hard to support her)
When she is sick which is very very rare it is always just milk coming back up like fresh milk not "sicky" milk
Sudden screams of pain (I know baby's cry for no reason but this doesn't seem like general grumpyness this is very sudden and very loud and sharp like yelping rather than sniffley type crying then she will suddenly stop and then start almost like waves of pain when she stops crying she is perfectly fine and happy)
Sucking on my finger for comfort (lots its often the only way I can soothe her at night)
Screwing up her face at the start of a feed (when she gets going she is okay but at the start she will screw her face up and try pushing the bottle away with her tounge)
She swallows really loud like a really loud gulping sound and you can hear her swallowing air

I don't want to say this is what she has because I'm not a doctor but could anyone give me their opinion on the things I have mentioned? Thanks xx
 
I'm not sure about refluxes as I don't really know what they are but it still sounds like colic to me?! That is excrutiating for babies... x
 
I sound dumb but what is colic? Shes settled now she had a few little squeaks about 30min ago but that was just after she let rip a huge bottom burp! :hug: Thanks
 
Hi Nicki, the symptoms sound very like Oscar and we've put it down to colic

The condition typically appears within the first two weeks of life and almost invariably disappears, often very suddenly, before the baby is three to four months old.[1] It is more common in bottle-fed babies, but also occurs in breast-fed infants. The crying frequently occurs during a specific period of the day, often in the early evening.

Since the cause is not conclusively established (see below) and the amount of crying differs between babies, there is no general consensus on the definition of "colic". Having ruled out other causes of crying, a common rule of thumb is to consider a baby "colicky" if it cries intensely more than three days a week, for more than three hours, for more than three weeks in a month.

We are using infacol but haven't been using it long enough yet and are getting a swing as it helps soothe babies with colic, apparently :D

Poor Ivy :hug:
 
What is colic?
Colic is uncontrollable crying in a baby that has no known cause.

Symptoms
Your baby may have colic if he or she cries excessively over several days. Although this crying can occur at any time, it usually gets worse in the late afternoon and evening. Colic usually appears in the first few weeks after birth and the cause isn't known. It generally lasts for three to four months.

Although colic isn't thought to be due to pain, your baby may look uncomfortable or appear to be in pain. Babies may lift their head, draw their legs up to their tummy, become red in the face and pass wind. Colic is not a serious condition. Research shows that babies with colic continue to eat and gain weight normally, despite the crying. If your baby doesn't, you should see your health visitor or GP.

The main problem with the condition is the stress and anxiety it creates within the home. You may find it difficult to cope with the constant crying, so it's important for you to have support and to take a break now and then.

Causes
The cause of colic isn't known. In the past it was thought to be related to the digestive system. Painful wind may contribute to colic, but there is little evidence to prove colic is linked to digestive problems. Intolerance of lactose has also been identified as a possible factor, but evidence is limited.

Another possible cause may be your baby's temperament. This may make your baby highly sensitive to the environment, and he or she may react to normal stimulation or changes by crying. If you smoke, this may also be a factor.

Gastro-oesophageal reflux disease (GORD) is associated with excessive crying in some babies. GORD symptoms include being sick and difficulty sucking, these are not usual symptoms in babies with colic.

Diagnosis
You may be worried about your baby's crying and may want to get advice from your GP or health visitor to make sure there isn't a serious problem.

Before visiting your GP, you should think about what other things may be causing your baby to cry. These could include:

hunger
tiredness
lack of contact - some babies want to be cuddled all the time
startling - due to jerky movements or sudden noise for example
temperature - your baby may be too hot or too cold
pain - there may be an identifiable source of pain, like a nappy rash
If none of these are causing your baby to cry, you may decide to see your GP or health visitor. They will examine your baby and will ask you about your baby's behaviour. By telling them when your baby cries, eats, sleeps and their pattern of bowel movements, they may be able to find out the cause of the crying.

Treament
There is no single medicine or proven cure for colic, but there are measures that may help. Different babies are comforted in different ways, and you may need to try a few methods to see what works.

Self-help
To soothe crying babies, the following techniques may be helpful.

Carry your baby in a front sling or back pack.
Keep your baby moving in a baby swing.
Try to soothe your baby with continuous noise or vibrations from household appliances like the dishwasher, vacuum cleaner or washer-dryer.
Take your baby for a car ride or a walk outside.
Give your baby a dummy to suck on.
Bathe your baby - the warm water may be comforting.
Elimination diets
There are some dietary changes that may help some babies, but none are proven to treat colic.

It's thought that some babies may not be able to digest lactose very well, but this improves as they get older. If you put breast milk into a bottle or use formula feed containing cow's milk, you could try adding lactase before feeds to see if this helps. This can be purchased from a pharmacist. Lactase breaks down lactose in the body and can improve symptoms in some babies in the first few months. Some mothers may find using low lactose milk formula useful. If, after a one week trial, either method helps your baby, you can carry on feeding them in this way until they are 12 weeks old. The baby should then be slowly weaned onto normal milk over a period of one week.

There are other methods that may help if a low or non-lactose diet doesn't work for your baby. If you are breastfeeding, you could stop eating dairy products, or try feeding your baby a hypo-allergenic formula containing whey or casein hydrolysate which your baby shouldn't be allergic to. If eliminating dairy from your diet or hypo-allergenic formulas feeds work, you should talk to your GP about a referral to a specialist as your child may have an intolerance to cow's milk. However, there is limited evidence that non-dairy breast milk and hypo-allergenic formulas are effective at reducing colic.

A substance found in soya products called phytoeostrogen can affect the development of your child. Speak to your health visitor and GP before using soya-based formulas.

Medicines
There is limited evidence that simeticone (eg Infacol), may improve symptoms. This treatment is used to relieve trapped wind. You may also consider trying colic drops or gripe water, which are available without a prescription.

Complementary therapies
Chiropractic spinal manipulation therapy or cranial osteopathy may relieve symptoms. However there is limited evidence that these treatments are effective.

Aromatherapy and tummy massage using lavender oil may help relieve the symptoms of colic. Always ask the advice of a qualified practitioner as some herbal remedies can be harmful to babies.

:hug: xxx
 
That sounds really like what it is. Aw my poor wee girl :( Shes all settled now bless her it just scared me because shes such a happy thing shes really laid back and calm and just sudden bursts of tears like thats so unlike her.
 
Yep it does sound like colic and other than the great advice above all I can say is it disappears as suddenly as it appears so there is an end to it :hug:
 
oh dear :( im sorry to say that def sounds like colic. firstly dont panic a lot of babies have it and its just something you basically have to put up with until they grow out of it. My son had it for the first 4 months of his life and i'll be honest it was a total nightmare. screaming in pain and arching his back, grunting etc it would break my heart and id dread feeding time, especially in the night. made em feel like i was feeding him just to put him in pain.

The best advice i can give is to just keep winding. most lucky mums can wind their baby once and thats it. with kyran i had to wind every 2oz then just keep him over my shoulder after a bottle and keep rubbing his back. most of the time he'd just scream in pain but it was all i could do to help, and it did, even if he didnt show it! after a bottle he'd have to do at least 10 burps before his belly settled, sometimes it use to take 3hrs of winding to settle him :sleep: (which was great fun at 3am!)

At 8 weeks i also found out about cow & gate comfort milk and it was a life saver! Helped no end to settle him to sleep in the day and id really really recommend it, kyran still has comfort milk now. Its thicker and doesnt allow air bubbles. id also recommend dr brown bottles.

hope she doesnt get it too bad and remember if you do get upset when shes in pain it does go and it doesnt last forever! good luck! :hug:
 
Ryan is like Ivy, hes sooo calm and contented, everyone comments on it. but from about 7 weeks old - 5 months old most nights he would SCREAM for 2 hours! every night, it was awful seeing him so upset and you couldnt do anything for him but someone recommended dentinox and it worked a treat!!! after about a day or so of using it he almost stopped completely. I used it religiously! xxx
 
Aw well Ive gone and got her some anti-colic bottles to give them a try, she was upset again about a hour and half ago shes having cuddles for now but if I put her down and she wakes I know she will be hurting again.
 
lots of mummy cuddles are the best thing and just keep winding you'd be surprised how much more they can bring up. What milk do you use?
 
Defo sounds like colic. Anti colic bottles should help.

Also keep going with the Infacol regardless. It takes a few days to start kicking in. Give it before each feed. Usually Infacol is better with breastfed babies. If you are formula feeding then Colief is probably the best thing to give.
 
Shes only having breast milk aw poor girls just settled she was up and down from about 3pm-8pm now shes just fallen asleep having cuddles on my lap she looks like a little Koala curled up here. I'll keep on with the Infacol and the bottles and cross fingers it will work. Is there anything I can do to make my milk better for her by changing what I eat or anything? Thanks for all your help :hug:
 
If you have no luck with the infacol in a week or so time definaitly try dentinox! i swear by it. Well it worked amazingly for ryan but i know there all different :D Bless her poor little thing! :hug:
 
Yay she seems so much happier today last night she slept from about 1am-9am! She slept on me but she was so happy and contented when she was waiting for me to pump her her next bottle and shes not making so many little windy noises as she did before ooooo yaaay! I love seeing her happy hopefully it will last and she wont get bad tummy again. Thankyou all for your help xx
 
aww, poor lil ivy, i hope she's better soon :hug:
 

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