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November 2ww

Ohh my body is so confusing. I usually ovulate like day 18-20 but last month was a weird cycle and now this month I had ewcm days 12,13 and this morning 14. but my opk this morning was negative. Now the ewcm has gone and just have creamy cm. Whereas it usually stays. Now I don't know if I maybe did ovulate early ? xx

During your cycle your body gears up several time to ovulate, increasing estrogen levels. Sometimes estrogen levels will peak (causing ewcm) but LH levels will still be insufficient to trigger ovulation. That's why the ewcm will stop until the next estrogen surge, and hopefully when that happens your LH levels too will be ready to trigger ovulation. FX :dust:
 
Well, im in my 2ww! I've had sore boobs again since ovulation and the hunger is here, felt lots of odd twinges so far this cycle hope I caught again!
Think im supposed to be 2dpo, so roll on to testing time!! Xxx
 
Now I have loads of ewcm back and cramps lol. Opk today was negative though. I'm using the digi ones,I think I prefer using the cheapies a few times a day rather than these once a day! xx
 
Now I have loads of ewcm back and cramps lol. Opk today was negative though. I'm using the digi ones,I think I prefer using the cheapies a few times a day rather than these once a day! xx

I ovulated and conceived one month but never got a pos opk on the cn digi ones.
 
Any more BFPs?

]I am around 9dpo. Still have cold symptoms but eased off a bit. I feel mega hungry !! A few twinges here and there. Temp still up. Had kinda stingy dry cm its like dried up ewcm but thinker like snot but not loads of it. I am just hoping for a wee miracle but af is due any time from tmrw considering it showed up early last time... bit of mild cramping i think but its so mild it's barely there. Still no hsg appt

I am just feeling bit sad at thought of knowing we can't try next cycle so will be 2018 and 1 year mark, I knoe am fepeating myself but its just repeating over amd over in my mind. If we have done it this time it would just mean no hsg test and no more waiting and no more infertility appt. We have a appt wnd of jan to discuss the next steps! ...would that be going on IVF waiting list?
 
Any more BFPs?

]I am around 9dpo. Still have cold symptoms but eased off a bit. I feel mega hungry !! A few twinges here and there. Temp still up. Had kinda stingy dry cm its like dried up ewcm but thinker like snot but not loads of it. I am just hoping for a wee miracle but af is due any time from tmrw considering it showed up early last time... bit of mild cramping i think but its so mild it's barely there. Still no hsg appt

I am just feeling bit sad at thought of knowing we can't try next cycle so will be 2018 and 1 year mark, I knoe am fepeating myself but its just repeating over amd over in my mind. If we have done it this time it would just mean no hsg test and no more waiting and no more infertility appt. We have a appt wnd of jan to discuss the next steps! ...would that be going on IVF waiting list?

Don't worry about feeling like you're repeating yourself. I'm exactly the same. Feel like I'm just going round in circles and getting nowhere. My expectations are now so low but it doesn't stop me behaving like I didn't see it coming :(

From experience, I would try not to pin this month on avoiding the hsg. I've built up a perfect scenario in my head so many times now and it's never ended well. Of course it would be wonderful if you get your BFP before it but you'll get through the hsg if you need to.

Again based on my own experience, if you do end up going for the hsg and there are no problems, I would expect that the next step would likely be IVF. The reason I'm saying this is that you will probably be better prepared for the appointment if you go in expecting that. If they can offer something else before that then great. I wish I had been prepared for IVF to be aggressively forced upon us at our previous clinic. Obviously we had a really horrible experience but as it was pushed upon us before proper investigations, it felt far too early in the process and it's taken a long time for me to even accept IVF as an option for us. I really felt like I need to fight against it. I'm finally opening myself up to the idea and that's taken nearly 6 months.

Hope you're hanging in there.
 
Thanks Sunflower for the words of encouragement. I've dusted myself off yet again and I'll be getting on to the GP tomorrow. Sounds like they've just rejected the referral completely as it didn't have all the right info. I get that but it would be nice to be told rather than having to do so much chasing myself.

I read Marilyn Glenville's book and she suggested dropping the red meat. Haven't ditched it completely as still like a steak every once in a while but we've made it more of a treat. We really were eating too much and didn't miss it as much as we thought we would. Everything you read is so conflicting, it's hard.

The problem with going completely dairy free is the chocolate and ice cream (OH is a bit addicted lol!). I think I could use dairy free at breakfast as I make porridges and stuff so don't think I'd notice the difference. I do eat natural yoghurt with berries at lunch so not sure what I'd replace that with. Cheese is the other one as although I've cut it back a lot, I think ditching it completely would be hard. OH loves pizza. Also butter as I do like to bake. Any tips would be great. I'm keen to give it a shot though as I hear it's good for skin as well.

I have tons of diary free tips as we are both massive foodies. We actually had homemade pizza at the weekend and I think Pizza Hut is trialing a dairy free pizza with vegan cheese. Cheese: Violife from Holland and Barretts is awesome. We use the mozzerella one. It's gross cold and needs to be cooked. Cooked we have fooled people into thinking it was cheese - had it on nachos. It melts just like cheese.

We don't eat soy but you can get soya yoghurt and icecream. We had some coconut icecream at the weekend and it was amazing...actually nicer than normal icecream. You can get coconut yoghurt too.

Milk-wise, we use almond, cashew, hazelnut (tastes like praline). It is expensive but most supermarkets put it down to a pound for a limited period so you can stock up when it's cheaper.

In cooking you can also use coconut milk and cream (avoid the coconut milk brands with caragineenans in as it's not good for you).

I have Tescos 85% cocoa dark chocolate. Dark chocolate is really good for you - especially woman as it's full of magnesium. I use to love white and milk chocolate but now I like dark better. Cocoa in general is very good for the liver - Bournville do just cocoa with no milk added. Raw cacao is even better.

(As you can see we're kind of health nuts! We're also gluten free so it makes life a bit challenging!)

Cashew and hazelnut milk are much thicker and creamier than almond, and would be really good for porridge.

My OH bakes and cooks a lot - he uses coconut oil a lot. Butter is hard to replace. There's loads of stuff online about dairy free cooking.

But giving it up totally is a bit of an ordeal - if you just want to cut down you can keep in the things that you would struggle without.

Hope the referral gets sorted. We've had problems with referrals just not being put through (not fertility but other stuff). You have to chase everything! Good luck with it! xx

Thanks for all these tips. So helpful!! I think we could switch the milk quite easily so will probably start with that. Will probably still with butter for baking for now as it seems a bit challenging to begin with. I already use coconut milk in curries so I'm sure I can find other uses. I'm sure I can also stick to dark chocolate as I actually prefer it too. Will start small and go from there.

Not really making much progress with the referral. Got out of work late so couldn't call the GP. Working a long shift tomorrow so it will need to wait til Wednesday now. OH thought he had the sperm test sorted but when he went to collect the stuff they gave him....... a pot :wall2::wall2: No paperwork or anything!! He's done this 3 times and there's never been a problem. He's going to have to get back on to them tomorrow as I can just picture them refusing to accept it if he tries to hand it in with no paperwork!!

Keeping my fingers crossed that your symptoms lead to something.
 
Got a positive opk this morning so guessing ovulation will be tomorrow cd17 :)
 
FX Millie :dust: hope you catch the egg and that implantation will be successful!
 
Thank you :) me too. My husband has done the sperm improvement programme that the clinic in Athens sent us so hoping his sperm is better now. We have the clinicnon Monday and they are gonna do his repeat sperm test and also my scan xx
 
Well my usual mardy /going off on one for no reason is here, 4 days before af is due (maybe 5 to 6 days before af thought as cycles can vary) so I'd say I'm out. Sickness has worn off today so must have been due to progesterone and now it's dropping. Causing sickness to stop and my moods to start. Feeling emotional right now and just wanna curl up, cry and go to sleep for the next 4 days!
 
Well my usual mardy /going off on one for no reason is here, 4 days before af is due (maybe 5 to 6 days before af thought as cycles can vary) so I'd say I'm out. Sickness has worn off today so must have been due to progesterone and now it's dropping. Causing sickness to stop and my moods to start. Feeling emotional right now and just wanna curl up, cry and go to sleep for the next 4 days!

Sorry linxminx, right there with you! :hugs:
 
Well my usual mardy /going off on one for no reason is here, 4 days before af is due (maybe 5 to 6 days before af thought as cycles can vary) so I'd say I'm out. Sickness has worn off today so must have been due to progesterone and now it's dropping. Causing sickness to stop and my moods to start. Feeling emotional right now and just wanna curl up, cry and go to sleep for the next 4 days!

Sorry linxminx, right there with you! :hugs:

So sorry sunflower, it's naff isn't it. All this ttc malarkey is so stressful. You do all you possibly can and it just feels like that's just not enough. My boobs still hurt but can hurt before some afs. And my boobs are veiny, which I'm sure probably happens all the time anyway. No sickness and iv got period type cramps on and off, usually get them the day before af so I hope she isn't going to be early as my period have shortened over the last year anyway!
Fx for you that the :witch: stays away x x x
 
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Thanks Sunflower for the words of encouragement. I've dusted myself off yet again and I'll be getting on to the GP tomorrow. Sounds like they've just rejected the referral completely as it didn't have all the right info. I get that but it would be nice to be told rather than having to do so much chasing myself.

I read Marilyn Glenville's book and she suggested dropping the red meat. Haven't ditched it completely as still like a steak every once in a while but we've made it more of a treat. We really were eating too much and didn't miss it as much as we thought we would. Everything you read is so conflicting, it's hard.

The problem with going completely dairy free is the chocolate and ice cream (OH is a bit addicted lol!). I think I could use dairy free at breakfast as I make porridges and stuff so don't think I'd notice the difference. I do eat natural yoghurt with berries at lunch so not sure what I'd replace that with. Cheese is the other one as although I've cut it back a lot, I think ditching it completely would be hard. OH loves pizza. Also butter as I do like to bake. Any tips would be great. I'm keen to give it a shot though as I hear it's good for skin as well.

I have tons of diary free tips as we are both massive foodies. We actually had homemade pizza at the weekend and I think Pizza Hut is trialing a dairy free pizza with vegan cheese. Cheese: Violife from Holland and Barretts is awesome. We use the mozzerella one. It's gross cold and needs to be cooked. Cooked we have fooled people into thinking it was cheese - had it on nachos. It melts just like cheese.

We don't eat soy but you can get soya yoghurt and icecream. We had some coconut icecream at the weekend and it was amazing...actually nicer than normal icecream. You can get coconut yoghurt too.

Milk-wise, we use almond, cashew, hazelnut (tastes like praline). It is expensive but most supermarkets put it down to a pound for a limited period so you can stock up when it's cheaper.

In cooking you can also use coconut milk and cream (avoid the coconut milk brands with caragineenans in as it's not good for you).

I have Tescos 85% cocoa dark chocolate. Dark chocolate is really good for you - especially woman as it's full of magnesium. I use to love white and milk chocolate but now I like dark better. Cocoa in general is very good for the liver - Bournville do just cocoa with no milk added. Raw cacao is even better.

(As you can see we're kind of health nuts! We're also gluten free so it makes life a bit challenging!)

Cashew and hazelnut milk are much thicker and creamier than almond, and would be really good for porridge.

My OH bakes and cooks a lot - he uses coconut oil a lot. Butter is hard to replace. There's loads of stuff online about dairy free cooking.

But giving it up totally is a bit of an ordeal - if you just want to cut down you can keep in the things that you would struggle without.

Hope the referral gets sorted. We've had problems with referrals just not being put through (not fertility but other stuff). You have to chase everything! Good luck with it! xx

Thanks for all these tips. So helpful!! I think we could switch the milk quite easily so will probably start with that. Will probably still with butter for baking for now as it seems a bit challenging to begin with. I already use coconut milk in curries so I'm sure I can find other uses. I'm sure I can also stick to dark chocolate as I actually prefer it too. Will start small and go from there.

Not really making much progress with the referral. Got out of work late so couldn't call the GP. Working a long shift tomorrow so it will need to wait til Wednesday now. OH thought he had the sperm test sorted but when he went to collect the stuff they gave him....... a pot :wall2::wall2: No paperwork or anything!! He's done this 3 times and there's never been a problem. He's going to have to get back on to them tomorrow as I can just picture them refusing to accept it if he tries to hand it in with no paperwork!!

Keeping my fingers crossed that your symptoms lead to something.


I am gluten free as I have coeliac disease....and I hate it!! Got diagnosed just over18 months ago. I would never choose to eat this way it's so hard. I get seriously unwell if i eat gluten like needing a blood transfusion etc. I was dairy free for 6 months as was temporarily lactose intolerant. Glad thats sorted now. I agree about the coconut ice cream being nicer though
 
Think ive ovulated as got some really strong pains this evening. They do say 12-36 hours after positive opk don't they so makes sense. Will be getting my progesterone bloods done next Tuesday! xx
 
Meh did a wee 1 step hcg test and It's stark white at cd#26 and around 11dpo. Oh well guess af will show up this week as per usual.
 
Think I'm 1dpo today as the pains yesterday were strong and have gone now. Going to get my progesterone bloods done next Tuesday! xx
 

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