hey don't worry we all start out at being dense as anything on PC's! I've used them for years and years and still not that good! Don't be silly either sarah - any spotting or blood is scary to who ever is going through it love, you're not a prick (at least I don't think you are ) Daddy is being very good to me. Bless his heart - puttin gup with moany old bag pants me Just made a list of things to buy for the baby - list as totalled baout a grand and have thought of EVERYTHING ( i think! ) Finally getting excited again Thanks so much for all your support - don't know if I could have got this far without you!! I really don't.