Certain findings make me irate...!!!!

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13336986

They come up with some weird and wacky research findings.... how about spending the time on helping Mums more with breastfeeding and also encourage Mums to be able to feed their babies in public without being stared at or frowned upon? If those two key issues were seriously overcome then maybe more Mums and Mums-to-be would breastfeed! ;-) x
 
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Hi there, I'm in NZ and the majority of mums breastfeed their babies - it's the norm here. Your midwife / GP expects you to, and mums who feed formula from birth are definitely in the minority. After baby arrives you have daily visits from your midwife while still in hospital to help with any feeding issues, lactation consultants are available if there are problems and for the first 8 weeks at home with baby, you have weekly visits from a nurse to help with any issues arrising. All cafes, restaurants etc have signs saying breast-feeding welcome and almost all of the shopping centres / malls have mother and baby rooms with seating areas where mums can feed baby. It's a very baby / mum centric society and no mother is ever made to feel uncomfortable when feeding - I certainly wasn't :)

Maybe you need to move over here:)
 
We need to take a leaf out of NZ book!! Here it's the opposite! The minority breastfeed, it's almost fashionable to bottle feed and it's something you would deem "odd" seeing a woman breastfeeding. I hate our country's attitude towards it, i believe it should be what mums actually want to do! Not just give up because it's "too hard" as some say, well why have a baby if your not prepared for it to be a bit challenging! So annoying.
 
We need to take a leaf out of NZ book!! Here it's the opposite! The minority breastfeed, it's almost fashionable to bottle feed and it's something you would deem "odd" seeing a woman breastfeeding. I hate our country's attitude towards it, i believe it should be what mums actually want to do! Not just give up because it's "too hard" as some say, well why have a baby if your not prepared for it to be a bit challenging! So annoying.

I find this incredibly rude. A lot of women find it 'too hard', they suffer terribly and some get pnd from the stress (my mother being one) who are you to judge someone's personal decision? I don't think it's odd to breast feed and I don't look down my nose at anyone for the way they decide to feed their baby, be it formula or breast. I don't bf and doubt I ever will for very very personal reasons so who are you to say that this decision is annoying. There's enough challenges out there for parents, so why make it any harder (for those who do find it hard) and why judge someone for how they do/don't feed their babies? I think breastfeeding should be promoted more in this country but bottle feeding mums shouldn't be made to feel guilty or judged or looked down on.
 
Yeah I found this a bit offensive tbh.........I found bf too hard and tbh a very traumatic process so much so that I would cry every feedto the point where the crying started to overlap (I didn't have pnd but it could have got there I feel if I'd carried on because I would've been a bad mum or whatever according to other people!! As far as I'm concerned a happy mum is a happy baby and it would have been worse for J and phil for me to carry on! So no I wasn't after an easy ride and yes I'm willing to do anything for J but not to the detriment of my health and happiness that consequently is the detriment of his health and happiness x
 
And as well it bugs the hell out of me when bfeeders declare they have a better bond with their baby wtf?!? says in the report there is more interaction involved whilst bfeeding?! Sorry really offends me as well!!!
 
I'd honestly be gutted if anyone thought I had decided not to bf because I couldn't be bothered :( I think its a very personal decision. I don't judge people for bf'ing so what gives anyone the right to judge my decision.
 
I've just wrote a long reply and my phone wouldn't post it :(
I don't see how they can base behaviour results on 16%! that's too small to say your child will have behaviour problems cos they were ff!
Both my children were ff, both have no allergies, are never ill. Everyone comments on how well behaved my daughter is, that's not due to what milk she had as a baby, it's because of the way I brought her up. She's never been clingy, she's independent!
It really annoys me the whole breast is best! Yes it might be for SOME but there's nothing wrong with formula either!
I chose to ff both my children because I didn't want to breast feed, that doesn't make me selfish or a bad mum!!!
 
That's really judgemental lexi. Not everyone and her baby takes to it like a duck to water. I would have loved to have bf but for reasons I won't go into I couldn't. Not everyone can bf and the ones that try and give up because it's 'too hard' well kudos to them! At least they tried. Why should a woman compromise the bond with her child Just because 'breast is best' an feeling like a failure If they can't do it? Ff babies are just as loved as bf babies, it's their child at the end of the day, who are we to judge?
 
oh for goodness sakes, why dont they realise that we dont need more facts about how wonderful breastmilk is, its not like, oh right, well now Ive read that I wouldve magically been able to breastfeed :roll: those posters about how wonderful breastmilk is, in the postnatal ward made me cry everytime I walked past them.
 
I do agree lexi that is a bit judgmental yes i breastfed for 4 months But had lots of problems along the way she wouldn't latch, wouldn't suck then i had a poor milk supply! its Not easy for everyone and allot of women try so hard to bf But can't for various different reasons.
i don't really see how what milk a baby has decides how 'behaved' they'll be.
 
We need to take a leaf out of NZ book!! Here it's the opposite! The minority breastfeed, it's almost fashionable to bottle feed and it's something you would deem "odd" seeing a woman breastfeeding. I hate our country's attitude towards it, i believe it should be what mums actually want to do! Not just give up because it's "too hard" as some say, well why have a baby if your not prepared for it to be a bit challenging! So annoying.

Lexi I found it more than 'a bit challenging' I WANTED to breastfeed, we didnt buy any formula before LO was born, I didnt know how to make formula, and I always imagined Id breastfeed my child regardless of health benefits or not, its how I WANTED to interact with my baby.

The fact is I was too ill to have skin to skin for a long time after he was born, he had no suck reflex at all for the first 3 days, how do you breastfeed a baby who just sleeps in your arms and has no interest in it?! He wouldnt open his mouth, let alone latch on. I tried for the first 48 hours, continuously, every midwife in that hospital had a go and couldnt help so they called in a specialist, who also couldnt get him to latch on. He couldnt do anything with a bottle either so they had to squirt my breastmilk into his mouth. I was so stressed from the experience that it affected my milk supply, by day 2 I couldnt hand express anything, nor could the midwives. his blood sugars were dropping and they had to give him formua cos i wasnt expressing anything and he wasnt prem so couldnt have milk from the milk bank. i spent the next 10 weeks usig a breastpump every 3 hours for 20 mins each breast, things picked up at one stage and i could express a couple of ounces a day but thats it.
this was my continuous routine:

00.00 prepare formula feed and leave to cool
00.30 add colief drops
01.00 use breast pump
01.20 skin to skin and offering breast to baby while still 'milky'
01.30 baby getting hysterical so pour whatever milk from breast pump into bottle and give to baby
01.35 more skin to skin as hes camer after a little bit of milk
01.40 offer formula bottle
01.55 wind baby try to settle him to sleep
02.15 clean breastpump, bottles and sterilise ready for next time
02.30 - 03.00 time for me to shower/sleep/eat/ comfort screaming baby/clean up sick/ do laundry

03.00 prepare formula feed and leave to cool
03.30 add colief drops
04.00 use breast pump
04.20 skin to skin and offering breast to baby while still 'milky'
04.30 baby getting hysterical so pour whatever milk from breast pump into bottle and give to baby
04.35 more skin to skin as hes camer after a little bit of milk
04.40 offer formula bottle
04.55 wind baby try to settle him to sleep
05.15 clean breastpump, bottles and sterilise ready for next time
05.30 - 06.00 time for me to shower/sleep/eat/ comfort screaming baby/clean up sick/ do laundry

I could go on, this is continuous, 24 hours a day. I did this for weeks on end, I hardly slept, on weekends OH was home from work so he did the cleaning/sterilising and preparing feeds part so that was my 'break' I couldnt use the breast pump in front of the tv cos I couldnt hear it. I would sometimes have to sit there on the breast pump while my baby screamed and I couldnt get up to him and continue pumping so I had ot sit there and listen to him scream, often he'd be sick while i was on the breast pump, or fill his nappy so Id stop and sort him out, but then the whole routine would be out of whack and he'd be starving before I had time to do the full 20 mins on the breast pump.

If you want to tell me that that is just a little bit challenging you need to get back into the real world. It was hell. I stuck with it and he latched on for the first time when he was 6 weeks old. It was the best moment of my life. I worked closely with the breast feeding support worker to try and wean him off the formula feeds but my milk supply just didnt respond, my GP refused to prescribe domperidone and by 10 weeks I just needed to stop. So yes, it was too hard, I chose to formula feed my baby. But if you are lucky enough not to be aware of any of these issues then I think you should spend more time being damned grateful how lucky you are instead of putting down mothers who arent as lucky (yes lucky, not skilled, superior, or better in any way)

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sorry ladies... i didn't expect this thread to get so out of hand. It just annoys me that they come up with such weird findings. I do stand by what I say about them helping mums more etc especially in areas like where I live. I've had no help at all. It's like they don't even care. Went to baby clinic on monday and mentioned I'd started feeding Layla - there was no concern at all, just a shrug and an ok. They make such a big thing about wait til 6 months and then knowing that Layla is only 20 weeks this friday, she couldn't care a less. I think that is wrong. And as for a peadiatrician (sp) what's one of those again cos I certainly haven't had one. Apart from the lady who sort of looked after Layla while we had to stay in hospital for 10 days after my surgery. That time in hospital was the ONLY help I had... breastfeeding wise aswell as to get fit again. If I had been like anyone else with an uncomplicated birth I would have been out on the same day or the next day at the latest!

I do not judge anyone for their decision on how they feed their babies. I didn't mean for this to come across that way. I truely am sorry for that. I wanted to breastfeed and did. Now I combination feed. I would hope that no one would judge me for that either...

I just thought It was amazing that they can come up with findings like that and still we don't have a cure for cancer!!!
 
Agree with chaz as well!! 16p/c is a ridiculous statistic.....it means 84p/c are the oppositye which I feel is a bit more conclusive!!! Also, I wasn't bf at all and I grew up to be a pretty good girl, good behavious, straight As etc and my husband was bf however he was a NIGHTMARE esp as a teenager honestly everything an absolute mare!! Just as his sis was bf and she was the opposite so tbh to me that just helps to reiterate my disbelief of such a study and I genuinely believe its about setting discipline from an early age etc...and sticking with it (I believe personally) . I alkso don't believe bfeeding creates a stronger bond with your baby which might again be a little controversial for some ladies but J and I are amazingly close I'm only making this point because iv read a lot of things and comments from bgeeding mums who do claim to have a strgonger bond!!! Anyway, that's my opinion
Sorry.....

Much love x
 
Tiny :love: and :hugs: x x I didn't know how much you'd suffered sweetheart :hug: :hug: :hug:
 
I read last week that if you give your babies and toddlers milk at bedtime, they've got more chance of being obese by the time their 5! What aload of crap! Lacey still has a glass of milk before bed every night and she's underweight!!
These scientist's need to study things that are important instead of scaremongering mums!
 
Totally agree Chaz or at least spend time on finding cures for diseases that take far too many lives. It really upsets me. xx
 
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DD also has a glass of milk at bedtime and she's underweight too. I don't see how they can prove these things tbh as there's no way to test that the exact same child would behave differently if only the way they were fed was changed-there's too many changing factors!
 
Just wanted to add - not my experience but a good friend of mine was through similar experience - she didnt even have formula in the house so when she was in pain and didnt know what to do, she was just crying. She had no idea what to do. She ended up ff and her daughter is very healthy and happy, so is she.

As for these findings, I hope they would spend more money on helping women who have miscarriages. I found my experience horrific.
 

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