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Terrible Twos

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They've just appeared thick and fast on my 2.4 year old. My little charmer has turned into a little terror - usually starting from after he wakes for his nap and straight through horrid ness until bedtime.

Our discipline method is, two warnings, then count to three and naughty corner for two minutes. Today my son has shouted at us and run away from naughty corner. Bribes and threats make no difference. I am 38 weeks pregnant and seriously at my wits end as the discipline is not working.

To top it all off his eating at tea time is diabolical and only getting worse. We've tried cool and calm, to getting down right mad. It makes no difference. Tea will not be eaten.

I need advice or to hear other horror stories so I don't feel alone :-(

Goodness knows how I'll cope with this AND a newborn :-(
 
I can only offer sympathy, I had a fork thrown at me at teatime today, then he had the cheek to demand it back! Yesterday it was sandwiches launched across the kitchen. All of this is down to refusing to come in from the garden,so ive told him he will not be allowed in the garden tomorrow.
 
I feel a bit like this with my son and he's only just turned two last month! I'm also heavily pregnant (35 weeks) so I don't think the hormones help. I just feel like every thing I ask him to do gets met with no or a tantrum at the moment. He had a melt down when leaving the house today cos I made him wear shoes :shock: then screamed the place down in Asda because he scratched me and I told him off :shock:

With the Asda incident I told him 'no do not hurt mummy' in a firm voice and that set him off on the screaming fit. I ignored him to the point where I actually pushed the trolley backwards so he couldn't see me until he'd calmed down. Once he had I asked him if he'd calmed down and what did he want to say to mummy, and he said sorry. I did get a lot of disapproving looks in the shop and I do think sometimes that makes it harder. You feel like you have to be seen doing something about it.

But honestly I've found the most effective thing is ignoring the tantrums. It stops me from getting wound up and shows my LO he's not going to get attention that way.
 
Thanks ladies. I do do ignoring sometimes, but it can be difficult as sometimes his tantrums involves banging his head on the floor or wall. This shouting thing he does is new and I guess ignoring it might be the best way to go about it - as I have told him off for it and done our usual discipline routine of two warnings and then naughty corner.

He's just a disobidient little thing at the moment and have zero energy (and too many hormones) to be having to chase him around the house to get him to pay attention.

Our son decided to headbutt his tea today when a fork approached his mouth. Now how do we respond to that?! I never know whether to ignore it, tell him off, send him to naughty corner etc - especially since this is at teatime - our HV says to keep teatime calm so he doesn't associate with bad times.. but when he's so naughty what do you do?!

I love him to bits and pieces but he's so starting to really test me. My OH read him 'Sometimes' by Emma Dodd tonight as it was an apt story and probably to remind ourselves that we still love our terror!
 
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I know it's difficult rooster, sorry if I sounded a bit preachy. My LO has been one for hitting and bitting, he's big and physically strong and I've found it difficult to physically restrain him in my condition. I think what I've been doing for a while issue not necessarily being consistent with LO and now he's picking up on it and testing me/pushing me. It's only been relatively recently I've taken the whole be firm and ignore him approach. It is so difficult to know what to do for the best on each occasion.
 
My lo can be a right terror sometimes.

He literally gets full of rage and clenches his little fists, grits his teeth and screams and shouts.

I try getting down to his level, acknowledging that he is feeling frustrated and calmly explaining why he can't have/ do/ go etc. None of which works obviously! He does respond well to time outs and now the threat of a time out is often enough to discourage unwanted behaviour.

I always praise him for good behaviour and if he's been especially good then he might get a treat. For example today we had to take the dog to the vets and I told him that he had to sit down quiet and still and he did so he got a doughnut afterwards.

Sometimes I can distract him from having a melt down but not always.

These terrible two's are testing times for us mummies!

XX
 
My Son has just turned two and is also a head butter!! He can go from 0- to very cross in a matter of seconds. We have a naughty spot tried distraction techniques etc. I don't want him to hurt himself so can't ignore it obviously. Hoping it's not a phase that will last forever!! We have a generous amount of tantrums from wake up to bedtime. I sometimes think this is a communication frustration because he can't yet tell is what he wants. He easily gets frustrated if he can't do something for himself so unless we notice and ask if he wants help he throws a fit. Mealtimes are hit and miss too. Pleased it's not hair us (sorry!)
 
Little monkey, don't worry, you didn't say anything wrong, apologies if I sounded off - my rant is towards my little fella.

My son is a very very good little communicater so this has staved off tantrums until now. His problem is simply choosing to ignore what me and my husband ask of him - this is my major gripe anyway and struggling to know how to deal with it. For example, for consistency we do our disciplining routine if he ignores us even when we ask of a simple thing, and have had to ask more than three times. However, when he lashes out during/before naughty corner then the issue escalates from the simple little thing to him shouting/hitting/banging his head against the wall and then all of a sudden the original issue barely seemed like something worth fighting in the first place!

However, this all usually occurs after nap time. Prior to nap, simply saying 'I'll count to three' is enough to have him behave and be obedient. Serious Jekyll and Hyde issue going on :lol: Maybe as the day wears on all of us are victims of having less patience.
 
The one thing that has worked with my daughter is the naughty pram. When i tried the naughty corner etc she just laughed or ran away so I started using the pram as she cant run away from it. Now I dont even need to use it as the threat of the naughty pram is enough for her. My lo is generally well behaved now and doesn't really tantrum to be honest. She was a nightmare around Christmas tho! I've always been one for telling her off and giving consequences to her actions. I'm actually a really strict parent when I think about it but it works with my lo. If she doesn't eat her food I just take it away. She wont starve. If she throws things I take it away and put her in the naughty pram, if she wont tidy her books etc I tell her they're going in the bin, and if she ignores I put them in the bin. It usually doesn't get to that stage tho.

I feel for you hun. I feel like having a child up to now was a walk in the park compared to the terrible twos!
 
My situation's been a little odd as DSs dad and I are no longer together, but until recently had very shared custody, so for me to do any kind of routine/discipline was promptly back to square one within a couple days. Now I'm off work and have DS 95% of the time, we've come on leaps and bounds.

DS is 2y 3m, and I'm 27w with DD.

I try to give him everything in positives, so instead of saying he can't do something, I tell him something he could do instead. Rather than "don't hit mummy's tummy", it's "we need to be gentle with mummy's tummy". If the thing happens again, he gets both. "No, do not hit mummy. We talked about this, be gentle". If it happens again, "No. We talked about this, you need to be gentle. This is your warning". If it happens again "alright, naughty corner". (Take to naughty corner, stand him with his back to the corner and crouch to his eye level). "I asked you not to hit mummy and you continued to do so. Now you will sit in the naughty corner for two minutes until it come and get you. Sit down". (Turn him round and sit him facing into the corner). He can turn around, and he can move one bum-shuffle over. Any more than that, and I put him back and restart his time. First time I have to put him back "you have been bad and need to sit in the naughty corner. Two minutes". Any time after that, he doesn't get spoken to, just put back. Once he's done two minutes, I go over, tell him to stand up and look at me. "Mummy put you in the naughty corner because you hit her. You need to be gentle. Do you understand?", "are you going to say sorry", "can I have a hug". Then he comes back out and we carry on whatever as if it never happened. Any further incident of the same thing in the same day is automatic warning "do you want to go back in the naughty corner? This is your warning. Be gentle". Then repeat naughty corner all over again.

I'm extremely lucky with DS in that he responds really well to positive reinforcement, and before yesterday I could count on one hand the amount of times we got to naughty corner stage. Usually by second stage he's got it nailed.

Yesterday though, saw the start of throwing. Cars, blocks, toys in general, DVDs, the whole lot had a chance to soar. Five seperate occasions, he was in the corner yesterday.
He's very good with the corner, only came out the first two times I put him in it, and that was more learning curve. He was in twice in one day for the same thing once, and that's it. Yesterday was a whole new story.
Even then, he was good once in the corner, and even his throwing stuff; it wasn't temper-throw, it was just fun-throw. I just want to stop the habit before something gets broken.

I'll see how he is on that when I get him back this afternoon.


With eating... He's always been a good eater. Meal times are the same every day. Breakfast at 8:30 (cereal or toast), snack at 10 (two breadsticks), lunch at 12 (sandwich and small bag of crisps) snack at 2 (fruit of varying variety) and dinner at 4:30 (cooked meal) and a dessert (usually a teeny cupcake although on occasion it'll be ice cream).

He knows damn well that his snacks can be eaten on the sofa if he sits good, and his three meals are always at the table with appropriate cutlery and a bib. Any food that needs cut I do in the kitchen before bringing his plate through (we're currently practicing using a knife and fork with a banana at snack time, or soft veg at dinner time), and he knows he sits and eats. We always eat together, both sat at the table, with similar meals (different cereals, different sandwiches, same main meal cause I ain't cooking two seperate ones). Right from early on, he was taught to use his fork. If he tried to use his hands he would get "use your fork", then "no hands, use your fork". Third hand incident would result in his plate being taken away for 30 seconds. I never had to go beyond that.

At the end of every meal, I would push my plate to one side and say "mummy finished". When DS would first copy me (with food still on his plate) I'd say "is DS finished? No more?" And pick his plate up as if to go to the kitchen. If he squawked, I'd give it back and he'd continue eating. He's learned now that pushing his plate away means it disappears, so he keeps it in front of him until he's done. He mostly eats what he's given. Every now and then he'll push a half-full plate away, and after the "are you finished" etc, he'll take his plate back, pick up his for and just kinda, mess with the food. Then I'll ask again if he's done, and he'll push his plate away again. Then I know he's just not interested in eating it and take it away. I still offer him dessert (the cupcakes we have are about the size of a £2 coin, he can eat them in two bites), because I personally know sometimes I just get full of a particular thing, and I don't want to teach him he has to stuff himself to "earn" dessert.
I always eat with him (so he's not "missing out on something by being stuck at the table", I don't get up from the table before he's done (again, missing out, and I also don't want him to be half way through and be all "oh, food's done" and stop eating even if he isn't finished), we don't have TV or anything through dinner, we sit and talk (he doesn't really talk at all yet but I like that bit of "family" time), I don't force him to eat anything; I give him the option and if he flat out doesn't want it that's fair enough, I don't punish him or get angry at him for not eating; I just take his food away after re-offering and he can wait until next food-time (some days we just aren't hungry).

Meals were kinda my "thing". I guess working in the restaurant industry made me determined that I would not have a messy food child.
Now, if he does get anything on his hands/fingers, he immediately wants wiped. If he drops something off his fork onto the table, he picks it up with his fingers, puts it back on his plate, and goes again with the fork (after wiping his fingers of course). If he drops something on the floor (rare but the odd thing sometimes sneaks through), he shouts at it then looks a at me all pissed that it dared escape until I pick it up and put it in a wipe ready for the bin.
I genuinely enjoy mealtimes with him, because although he doesn't really talk yet, we certainly communicate a lot and have a good time, and it's just fun.


Just a note back on the naughty corner; he knows I will find a naughty corner anywhere at any time. I've stopped the car once and got him out of his car seat and sat him in the footwell, I've "made" a corner out of stones on a path.
I truly think the key is flat-out ignoring any mis-use of the naughty corner. Put them back the first time and tell them again why they're there, then each time after that, just put them back. No talk, no eye contact, essentially no more thought to it than putting the hoover or the ironing board back. Let them scream, let them bang... Just feign indifference. Even if it takes an hour or more. I know for me when I was little the WORST punishment was my dad just outright ignoring me.

I think I've rambled enough now. Hopefully there's something in there that helps someone... Xx
 
I have no advice but I can sympathise with you ladies!! Toddlers are equally fantastic and hard work!! X
 
James started the terrible two's literally on his second Birthday but I must admit it's got a lot worse since baby arrived.

(sorry I don't mean to freak out those who are preggers!)

Tantrums aren't too bad, James' always follow the same pattern (when he is told no about something he knows he can't have / shouldn't do). We have the lip quiver, the over exaggerated crying but then he takes himself off to his bedroom? I don't think he fully gets the idea of tantrums bless him! Luckily we don't have it in public yet *touch wood*

The worst thing for me is the whinging. My happy, sunny boy is a constant whinge bag. Every other sentence seems to be punctuated with a whinge / whine. It is all day, everyday. Although saying that today he has been an angel (which is a one off)

The other problem we have is pushing boundaries. When I say no he often tries to do what I am telling him not to (climbing on stuff / pulling all the toys out) and If I say no to something he wants on TV or chocolate then he'll ask for it constantly.

The hardest thing is his food and drink strikes. He drove me to the edge of a breakdown a few weeks ago as he stopped drinking all liquids.. I was so worried I tried everything and as soon as he realised he was getting my attention he really milked it.

It often a battle of wills and I am almost proud of how strong willed he is (shush, don't tell him!!)

Thankfully James' behaviour - although worse since baby arrives - isn't directed towards baby!

X
 
James started the terrible two's literally on his second Birthday but I must admit it's got a lot worse since baby arrived.

(sorry I don't mean to freak out those who are preggers!)

Tantrums aren't too bad, James' always follow the same pattern (when he is told no about something he knows he can't have / shouldn't do). We have the lip quiver, the over exaggerated crying but then he takes himself off to his bedroom? I don't think he fully gets the idea of tantrums bless him! Luckily we don't have it in public yet *touch wood*

The worst thing for me is the whinging. My happy, sunny boy is a constant whinge bag. Every other sentence seems to be punctuated with a whinge / whine. It is all day, everyday. Although saying that today he has been an angel (which is a one off)

The other problem we have is pushing boundaries. When I say no he often tries to do what I am telling him not to (climbing on stuff / pulling all the toys out) and If I say no to something he wants on TV or chocolate then he'll ask for it constantly.

The hardest thing is his food and drink strikes. He drove me to the edge of a breakdown a few weeks ago as he stopped drinking all liquids.. I was so worried I tried everything and as soon as he realised he was getting my attention he really milked it.

It often a battle of wills and I am almost proud of how strong willed he is (shush, don't tell him!!)

Thankfully James' behaviour - although worse since baby arrives - isn't directed towards baby!

X

Carnat if you don't mind my asking is James home with your more since having the baby?

I'm convinced that our son acts up as much as he does because hes home with me more than he has been and I'm worried already I'm not doing enough to keep himself interested and entertained compared to what he's used to.
 
Thanks so much for the advice everyone, I really do appreciate it.

I've had a much better day with my son today. He had a tantrum at lunchtime but other that he has been really really good, I am amazed. I did the whole positive reenforcement thing until I was blue in the face today. He asked for a treat and let him have it because he 'played so nicely'.

I have been conscious of saying 'no' too much - he practically mocked me the other day when I told him not to play with his nappy cream, he responded by pretending to be me and saying 'don't play with cars, don't go in the garden etc' :lol: I had been saying no to him that day because there were handsaws and jigsaws all over our garden!

Anyway, maybe he was having a bit of a break from it all and I decided to pick my battles more carefully.

The problem I have is me and my OH majorly disagree on how to deal with his (lack of) eating. My OH likes to force the issue, whereas I'd rather follow HV advice and just leave him if he doesn't eat, I never win this battle and end up leaving whilst OH and my son take battle :-(
 
James started the terrible two's literally on his second Birthday but I must admit it's got a lot worse since baby arrived.

(sorry I don't mean to freak out those who are preggers!)

Tantrums aren't too bad, James' always follow the same pattern (when he is told no about something he knows he can't have / shouldn't do). We have the lip quiver, the over exaggerated crying but then he takes himself off to his bedroom? I don't think he fully gets the idea of tantrums bless him! Luckily we don't have it in public yet *touch wood*

The worst thing for me is the whinging. My happy, sunny boy is a constant whinge bag. Every other sentence seems to be punctuated with a whinge / whine. It is all day, everyday. Although saying that today he has been an angel (which is a one off)

The other problem we have is pushing boundaries. When I say no he often tries to do what I am telling him not to (climbing on stuff / pulling all the toys out) and If I say no to something he wants on TV or chocolate then he'll ask for it constantly.

The hardest thing is his food and drink strikes. He drove me to the edge of a breakdown a few weeks ago as he stopped drinking all liquids.. I was so worried I tried everything and as soon as he realised he was getting my attention he really milked it.

It often a battle of wills and I am almost proud of how strong willed he is (shush, don't tell him!!)

Thankfully James' behaviour - although worse since baby arrives - isn't directed towards baby!

X

Carnat if you don't mind my asking is James home with your more since having the baby?

I'm convinced that our son acts up as much as he does because hes home with me more than he has been and I'm worried already I'm not doing enough to keep himself interested and entertained compared to what he's used to.

James has been home with OH from end of November (I 'took over' when I went on ML start of January) so he's used to being home with one of us.

I won't deny that being heavily pregnant and then having a newborn affected what I did with James. The weather of course didn't help!!! So yes I do think boredom has played a big part in his behaviour.

I do feel incredibly guilty as in the early days baby was cluster feeding for hours.... I tried to plan activities for James / read books whilst feeding but he did spend a lot of time watching tv whilst I got to grips with feeding. As I say the weather meant that we were limited with regards to outside activities a lot of the time but he did have a boring few weeks!!!

Now the weather has improved and feeding is established we're out a lot more. No real improvement in behaviour though.

He isn't due to start nursery until Jan 2016 but I may consider paying for him to have a few mornings a week from September?

X
 
My daughter's started at 22 months - a month after her little sister arrived! Luckily she's never directed anything towards the baby and if anything my toddler's mood lifts when her sister wakes from a nap and comes downstairs etc. However for 2 months she just became very tantrumy - over anything at all! Then from when she turned 2 to now 2.2 she's been a little angel really. Now she's in another phase of the terrible 2s. I think it just goes in phases. They will pass though, just remember that. Like others have said, consistency is key and also don't doubt your parenting as it's completely normal for toddlers to go through this, it's just the battle of the wills and you'll both get through it!
And when all else fails...bribes! Kidding of course ;)
 
My son started preschool in December. But it's the Easter holidays at the moment! I won't deny, I do like having him out of the house two mornings a week.
 
Carnat, I appreciate your comments. I'm already feeling guilty about what I can do or rather can't do with my son. We're usually a pretty outdoorsy family, and going for big long walks round the zoo, woods, parks etc. At the moment I'm struggling to walk to and from our local park with him! He's watched more telly this week than he has in the last month!
 
Carnat, I appreciate your comments. I'm already feeling guilty about what I can do or rather can't do with my son. We're usually a pretty outdoorsy family, and going for big long walks round the zoo, woods, parks etc. At the moment I'm struggling to walk to and from our local park with him! He's watched more telly this week than he has in the last month!

It's only temporary and no harm done!!! So I try not to dwell on it....on the upside James' vocabulary and knowledge has come on amazingly (his fave programmes are the Brian Cox series about the Solar System so we've bought him loads of books on the subject - he knows more then me lol)

X
 
Carnat, I appreciate your comments. I'm already feeling guilty about what I can do or rather can't do with my son. We're usually a pretty outdoorsy family, and going for big long walks round the zoo, woods, parks etc. At the moment I'm struggling to walk to and from our local park with him! He's watched more telly this week than he has in the last month!

It's only temporary and no harm done!!! So I try not to dwell on it....on the upside James' vocabulary and knowledge has come on amazingly (his fave programmes are the Brian Cox series about the Solar System so we've bought him loads of books on the subject - he knows more then me lol)

X

That's a lot more educational thank what my son's been watching! Important sure my brain has turned to mush from watching the gruffalo every day!
 

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