Homeschooling

Thank you!

That's great, thanks for sharing your positive experience!

I mentioned in one of the posts that the method that we are using is very laid back in terms of what the parent contributes, it's mostly child-led so the parent is kind of the Information Desk type role. Finding resources and pointing in the right direction, as opposed to a dominant role like say, a teacher.
Can I ask what way you were schooled? Was it a replicated school environment? Did you find it put a strain on your family relationships?

I'm glad you found it all to be good and that it took strain from your health problems. :)
 
We probably did a bit of both. She never spent much time standing over me or in front of me teaching as such but she did spend time tracking down resources panning projects and keeping things organized and helping me when I needed it. She also kept track of what we did and had a kind of "school curriculum" written out to show inspectors or anyone who was interested.
 
Hey Tommo,

Thanks for such an enlightening thread. I've actually never considered homeschooling until I came across this and I've since been doing lots of research on it. My daughter is only 9 months so there is plenty of time to go before I need to decide but it's becoming more and more of a route I'd like to explore.
Initially the socialisation aspect was a concern but I've seen my local council can put you in touch with other homeschoolers in the area, there are sports groups etc etc they can join so its not a concern anymore really.
My concern is that I also intend to have more children. Are you? How would you suggest managing educating two children of different age groups? I know I have the mainstream education system engrained in my brain and that kids don't have to be the same age to learn the same thing but the older one will probably be able to concentrate for longer etc. Do you see that as an issue?

Thanks again!xxx
 
BunnyN, that sounds like a really good structure and a very functional approach!

Hi Baylee your post made me so happy! That really has cheered me up.

Yeah I'm pregnant at the minute, due in April and our want is to have 4 kids but 16 weeks into this pregnancy I'm like.. 2s enough lol.

I haven't really thought much about any worries of having two or more learning at home.

Starting with my son, everything will be very new and a learning curve. Hopefully by the time #2 and plus are old enough it will feel very natural. With them having seen the older siblings' progression and that maybe helping.

A strong factor of the Unschooling method is remembering to trust the child. There are a lot of varying degrees of this made apparent as you research the range of different unschooling views and approaches, but the principle of trust is a staple of the success, I believe.

Schools can be very harsh on the child's ability to trust itself, sometimes pushing the idea that because the child is young, it is automatically wrong.
A lot of children have wavering confidence in their academic work because they are being told that they're immature, irresponsible, trouble makers and, like self-fulfilling prophecy, they become that way.
The idea that, if left to their own devices, our children will be swinging from the lampshades and creating trauma may have a basis of reality but I believe it would be the natural rebellion against an unnatural, strict, sometimes dishonest force.

If you haven't read about "de-schooling" you should, it's very interesting. It's the process that children who are institutionally schooled go through before beginning unschooling.
It's basically just a time where they are left to their own devices to do whatever they want. No structure or commands outside of their regular home routine. Parents get terrified that 4 or 5 months later their seven year olds are still getting up at 11pm, playing football and watching tv, and then they report a change where the child comes to them and says, do you know how tractors work? How did Harry potter not know he was a wizard from the beginning? Is India bigger than France? And suddenly, from nowhere the child's natural need for information has regrown it's roots and they begin to lead their own path of learning.
(Another thing described often by parents wanting to take their children out of school is the visible change or 'loss of light' in their child's desire to learn)

When I have my doubts I always think of this and remember that my son is a young human, not just a mere child. He has the same nature in him that's in me, and he has all the same potential.

Bringing that back to home, I think I will just have to remember that my role isn't to lead, it's to walk along beside, and enjoy what they enjoy. To be supportive and encouraging, suggestive, inspiring.
More kids Thrown into the mix, I think, will be exciting. Two little brains working together and helping each other, unlimited potential!!!

I'm not really fussed with "at this age he should know this", that's to keep the teachers right, not the children.

I hope that answers your question. Sorry, I know I am rambler extraordinaire, but now my food is here and I need to eat!!! Lol
 
Wow thanks for your perspective Tommo that's given me much food for thought. You're totally right about the whole ticking off what kids should know and at certain ages.
I've read up a bit on deschooling and do really like the idea. It's definitely something I'm going to do a lot of research into. I go back to work in March but I'm hoping that after a year I get to be a stay at home mum which will make homeschooling a more real possibility.
Thanks again for your thoughts!xx
 
Hi there!

I've also not read the whole thread but read through most of it and found is so interesting!
I hated school and always had in the back of my mind that, if done right, home schooling would be fantastic for my future children.

I agree with almost everything you say Tommo except one small bit. You mention that the child leads the education based on his or her interests and abilities but my worry would be limiting their future abilities based on their interests at 6/7 years old.
I hated maths and science until secondary school and if I'd been home school I'd have definitely lead my parents in to teaching me the purely creative side of education. I am so glad I had the opportunity to stay in school and continue being taught the things I hated as without my Maths and science GCSE's I'd never have gotten my job and wouldn't have slowly learnt to appreciate the subjects I so hated years earlier. I also think it's important to learn the lesson that sometimes in life you do HAVE to do something you don't want to do because even if your child gets their dream job there may be aspects they thoroughly dislike about their job role and it should be ingrained in their brains early that it's a necessary evil lol

Another worry I would have would be (as mentioned somewhere above) how my children would compete with others for jobs such a doctors, lawyers, teachers etc I have done no research in to home schooling but surely if you aren't teaching your child the things they dislike (let's continue with Maths and Science for now) then they have no chance in any of these careers. What 10 year old knows they want to be a doctor? I always wanted to be a teacher but I did go through a time when I wanted to be a Physiotherapist or a nurse or vet. It was good to know that all of these options would have been available to me if I so chose in the future. It was amazing, the knowledge that the world was at my feet and anything I wanted could be within my grasp whenever I decided on what I wanted to do. How would you suddenly teach a child of 14 everything they have missed out for years to get them to a level where they can take the qualifications needed to suddenly be able to go to uni to study medicine or law if they decided (after 10 years of hating science) that they actually wanted to be a doctor? One of my close friends is a lawyer and she only decided she wanted to study law in the final year of secondary school. Now she has a job she loves and a lifestyle she gets so much joy from as she can provide for her entire family.

I definitely agree however with everything else you say. From the age you start teaching them, right up to the socialising aspect. I never socialised at school because I was bullied and then anxious around my peers. It's taken me years as an adult to learn how to be a good friend and get on with everyone because I never got the correct socialisation in young. Home schooling allows for so many other opportunities for socialising, I definitely agree that sending a child to mainstream schooling purely for the social aspect is rubbish. I think if I home school I will follow the curriculum and give them a well rounded education as much as possible to keep all of their options open to them as no child truly knows what they are capable of until they have been given every opportunity to developer every skill they could have tucked away inside of them.

Really so interesting reading this thread and will continue to follow it.
 
Hi Sarah, thanks for your reply. That's really encouraging and I'm grateful for your perspective.

Every family is different and one rule isn't going to work for everyone, so its really important to constantly consider and re-evaluate your individual needs when making a decision as big as whether or not to home school. Being able to tweak and arrange your children's education to tailor to your whole family's needs is one of the great perks. :)

I don't want you to think that I am disagreeing with you though, as obviously you are entitled to make those decisions yourself, but I just wanted to respond to the concerns you raised to demonstrate how we, as a family have responded to them. (In theory!)

We have to keep reminding ourselves and remembering to look at DS's education from a more obtuse angle than what we are used to. Most of us government schooled now-adults have such a fear of the word 'failure' and we associate it with so many things. We feel like we've failed when we slept past our alarm, or slightly burnt the dinner, or lost our temper, or forgot to go to the post office.
To see it acutely, we would be spending our lives like a stalling engine, starting and failing, starting and failing. But from a distance you can see that in reality we are just making human, natural mistakes that are only platforms to take the next stop from, usually with a bit of knowledge or at the very least, incentive. We're going to do that until we die, there will never be a time when we are perfect, or "there yet".

To look at my son's education from an intensive, severe angle, I would probably be saying something along the lines of. This is his potential, this is what he is achieving. Who's fault is it that he's not achieving his best? Why is he failing?
From a softer view, and how I have to keep reminding myself to see it, as long as he is a well-rounded, inspired, productive adult, then we have not failed. Regardless of how much money he earns, what age he marries at or how many holidays he goes on a year.

One of the benefits, I hope, of not being part of the school system is not having an ultimate deadline for everything. While, of course, I want him to be able to set and achieve short-term goals, I don't think he needs everything to have a cut off point. What you've said about last minute career decisions wont apply to him if there is no such thing as a 'last minute'. There is no age limit to start uni, or complete GCSEs or ALevels. And a doctor at 36 is surely the same achievement as a doctor at 26, he will be as able to cure disease and save lives. (My mum has started studying to become a psychological therapist, with no previous qualifications bar an "O level" in Domestics.. and she's 52. She'll be 58 when she graduates)

If my son decided only when he was 25, the age I am now, that he wanted to become a doctor and only had basic knowledge of all required subjects, then I would encourage him to set up a realistic plan of how to bring those levels to where they needed to be. Those are skills which he will already have instilled in him from homeschooling and self-led education; drive, incentive, goal setting, self-teaching.
There will, again hopefully, be no limit to how he views his own education. I expect he wont see it as education, he'll see it simply as, What I'm Working On Now. He will always be welcomed to live with us for as long as he needs to, and we will provide for him as long as he is there. He is our son always, and I don't subscribe to the "18, you're an adult, you're on your own" ideal. Thankfully neither to my parents. I swear to God every Sunday my dad tries to give me £20 pocket money.

Another factor is this: You used an example of preferring creative subjects and disliking Maths and Science, but if you were able to learn those subjects outside of the school environment, you mightn't have been as apposed to them as you grew to be.
If you had learnt maths through helping with doing the shopping (think you could teach percentages, budgeting, calculations, ratios - anything with grocery shopping!), games, measuring ingredients for cooking, designing and constructing woodwork projects; if you were able to delve into a book of how the human body works without having to surface to change subjects and start another irrelevant topic, if you could read until you had filled your curiosity; or studied the stars and gravity yourself without being pressed to fill in workbooks, or stop and start at the class' rate; or if you had never been told that it wasn't your 'strong point' or that it was an area that you needed to work on, would you have been apposed to it quite as much? How much do you think you would have learned without really trying?

Its subjective, of course, but looking at my own education, I know I would be much better in many subjects if it wasn't for the school system.
For example, I abhorred maths growing up. All I knew was that I was awful at it, I would never understand it and I just hated it. But recently I have been helping my mum with her OU course and was self-teaching how to do percentages, long division and multiplication. And I got it in seconds and realised that, oh my god, Maths is really interesting! Its really fun. (Not exactly advanced but considering I failed my GCSE maths 4 times, its impressive for me!)
I hated English until I unexpectedly got the highest mark in my class in p7 and it suddenly became my passion. I thought I hated science until I got a Grade 7 in my KS3 and ended up getting top 5% in my biology GCSE exam, having only got one question wrong.
What is it that made me hate those subjects? It probably wasn't the subjects themselves, cause turns out they're seriously interesting!

I can't speak for everyone, and like I said it is hypothetical at this point because we haven't, technically, began homeschooling yet. My son might just be a natural genius, I'm not sure. But I gave him a piece of paper when he was two, that had CAR, CAT, DOG, COW, PIG, TOM (his name) and sat with him, gave him a pen, and played the "what noise does a ... make" and as he answered them right I drew a picture of the word. A few days later he found the paper, brought it to me and we did it again. Within a few months he was able to write and spell all the words.
The other day - a year later - I found him sitting with two books in his hand and writing something. I looked to see that he had drawn a tractor, and was using a book to reference the spelling and wrote TRACTOR underneath and asked me for more paper so he could try a digger.

He went into the bathroom the other day and wrote ROBBIE (my husband's name) on the steam on the shower door. DH asked him what it was and he said it was "daddy's letters". This isn't something we tried to teach him. We just gave him some tools, and he figured it out. We gave him a pen and paper and never sat and demanded he do this or that, or told him what way to hold his pen. He draws his letters from the bottom to the top, instead of how we were taught but at the end of the day he is a four year old who is able to spell, read and write words, with absolutely no direction.
AND the bonus is, he learnt it for his own enjoyment. For mere entertainment! And he taught me that a baby swan was called a signet. I didn't even know this!

Your concerns about what a 6/7 year old will want to be taught are very valid. We worried about that too until we discovered that Tom, aged only 3/4 is wanting to be taught words, reading, numbers, colours, he constantly wants to be quizzed on everything and despite us deciding not to start schooling him until 6/7 years, he has begun to lead the way already.

Realistically, most things that a 6/7 year old is interested in, especially with boys, has the potential to be very educational.
Using stereotypes as an example: dinosaurs opens the door to a whole host of historical and archeological lessons, using years and dates as maths teaching, dinosaur themes for creative writing, the science of it is all there on a plate.
Spacemen/aliens will lead to space interest, geography, planets, constellations, again using distances and time for maths, gravity, space travel, open door into physics. I'd say if you gave an interested 11 year old a book about E=MC2, you would be shocked at how quickly they understand it and potentially grow to be passionate about it.
Cars = engineering; tractors = agriculture; animals = zoology/biology/evolution; even a little boy who's obsessed with guns will find interest in World Wars, politics, European history.
Houses = design; sharks = marine zoology, sustainable fishing, biology, geography; planes = travel.
Everything your child will be interested in will be based on something natural, educational and interesting. You say that a person can't know what they want when they're a young age, and I disagree. I think a human's main interests will be apparent from a young age, its having freedom, access and tools to build that into a passion, to build that into a source of income, to build that into a career. (I've come back full circle to where I was as a child with my interests mainly in English monarchy, cooking, baking, cleaning, interiors and having a baby to love. In Careers they asked me what I wanted to be and I said a housewife and mother, and they said "no you can't do that, that's not a thing" and in the end I bloody did anyway! People think its not ambitious, but its my ambition. It uses my skills and interests to their greatest potential and I am genuinely, in my soul, very happy! *I'm mentally giving the middle finger to my career's teacher.*)

Someone, at the age of 16, who isn't interested in biology isn't going to become a doctor. That's not to say that they can't, but if the interest and passion isn't there, then why should they? For the sake of money?
Why should a 16 year old who's interest is cars, and can name every part of an engine and take a car apart and put it back together again, be led to think that they should put their passion aside and study to be a doctor? They shouldn't be encouraged to be anything but a mechanic, or engineer, or sales person!

Well, I'm not sure if you'll agree. I don't mean to be overly presumptuous with my theory! lol

The child will lead in a direction, and as a parent I believe I have to do my job of rounding it out. For example, my son is obsessed with tractors. This is brilliant for me because I am from the country and love being back here (sitting in my mum's living room right now). I would love for my son to have a job in agriculture when he is older because I think it is more humble and wholesome than an industry-based job. So we visit farms all the time and chat with farmers and they get Tom to help them with silly little things like holding the goats horns while they check their teeth, and he loves it. We sat in my mum's kitchen a few weeks ago and he watched a tractor turning the soil in the field and when it finished he just said. "The tractor went around the field to make the black soil come up to the top." And my mum in two seconds explained how you have to plant seeds in soft soil and he was like, yup! got it! Something that a year 10 teacher would probably take a day to explain to a class.

The reason I am saying all of this is just to reiterate the trust I have in Tom's ability to lead his own education. And I one hundred percent agree with you that as a parent we have to... looking for the right word here. Intercept? at times, but, for me, it will only be with encouragement and guidance. Rather than taking the lead.
As I mentioned, its the backseat driving that I feel my role mostly involves. Suggesting ways to incorporate maths, english, science, religion, politics, anthropology, literature into all of the things that Tom chooses to learn. Its going to be a challenge and I am so looking forward to it!

By the way, I know I said a lot of "you" and "yours" but what I meant was a grand, overall "we " and "ours" and that wasn't at all meant to be a defensive attack. I hope it wasn't mean seen as such, but you can never be sure how things come across when its just words on screen without focal context. Especially when its something you're passionate about and you go off in tangents as I tend to do!
Like I've said loads of times before, it takes all sorts to make a community and I have such a passion for the homeschooling community. With helping people and finding advice and perspective in what other people say, its so interesting.

Incidentally, I am aware that I still haven't posted up any links. I will do that very shortly! I'd do it now but I'm not on my own laptop atm. And also, Tom just came up to me with a little bath toy that's shaped like a water mill and said "the river goes through this bit and turns the wheel, and that turns the gear, and that grinds the grain and makes it into flour so that we can have bread."
I'm like, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? genius baby.
 
Genuinely very interesting points. Especially the simple fact that you can learn to be a doctor at any time in life, not just when the government expect you to go to uni etc

Thank you for taking the time to explain that all to me, really enlightened by it all and look forward to researching further in to home schooling :)
 
Hi there!

How would you suddenly teach a child of 14 everything they have missed out for years to get them to a level where they can take the qualifications needed to suddenly be able to go to uni to study medicine or law if they decided (after 10 years of hating science) that they actually wanted to be a doctor?

I just also wanted to reply specifically to this sentence because I have answered this question in my own mind recently too.

Firstly, I'm not sure that someone who hated science for ten years would want to become a doctor? I may be wrong, but unless that decision was being made only taking in the financial elements, I don't think anyone would chose to actually pursue a career so deeply connected to one topic, of it happened to be a topic they hated. Even if their interest was to help people, they would be likely to chose something within an already established interest/skill?

But also take into account that this 14 year old wont have been sitting doing nothing, learning nothing for 14 years. They mightn't have a vague sense of knowledge of every subject as other 14 year olds do. (Thinking of myself at 14, my knowledge was very vague.)
They would have been studying, and learning, and would have a knowledge of maths to a level, science to a level, english and language to a level, and then probably within one of those, a particular topic - or topics - to a very extensive, deep level.
Its more likely that they will make their choice of career within that interest, which will probably have become a passion, and already provided skills and know-how that other 14 year olds wont have. That makes the individual, already, without any qualifications yet or experience, one of the best suited for the job. And they will be able to compete for that particular job, or a job within those interests, because they will be passionate, self-motivated, and very probably extremely educated in that field.

Also, out of the schooling environment, students are statistically backed at being able to self-teach at an extremely accelerated level. I'm talking two years worth of school teaching in two months, with exam results par to or above school results.

Just my personal view! :)
Also, this is slightly irrelevant but I just learnt it myself. I always thought people who were creatively led, were naturally not as good at maths and science and vice versa, but did you know that Da Vinci, as well as being a painter and sculptor, was also an architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist and writer.
In some of his work he had supposed the existence of the titonic plates, and had conceptualised flying machines, calculators, a tank and solar power.

More food for thought! :lol:
 
I'm not criticizing, you're clearly very passionate about this, but you've admitted you're not particularly strong academically with maths, etc - if your boy turns out to be highly able, how will you stretch, challenge and ensure progress if you're not confident in this yourself? Children need challenge and progression to avoid becoming disengaged with learning xx
 
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I don't know anything about a lot of things that he will need and probably want to know, that's why my role as 'researcher' will be so important.

Visiting and talking to people who do know is an aspect of homeschooling which I think is very exciting. We're already kind of doing it by visiting farmers and them talking to Tom about how tractors and hay bailing works.
I've seen on blogs and people's success stories that many businesses and experts are actually more than happy to meet with and talk to kids and their parents about what they do and answer questions.
It's another testament to the potential range of social development too.

Maths and literature are two of the things I would like to ensure he is constantly learning, although obviously I'm probably not going to adopt a classroom style manner when going about this.
With literature, I hope to say "read this book, it's very good and when you're finished we can discuss it" and then conversationally discuss literature aspects of it.
With maths, I'm hoping to do much the same. "Do you know how to do long division? Let's figure it out!" I know maths to probably a ks3 level, although I still plan utilise textbooks as teachers do, and learn a lot of things alongside him via wikihow, quizsites, test papers etc.

I'm not apposed at all to workbooks, in fact my son already enjoys filling them out -I expect because they're laying around for him to use at his leisure- which will hopefully help to gauge what he does and doesn't know.
If he becomes very advanced then we have the option of hiring a tutor, or even Tom's godfather is a maths genius. He would probably love to spend a few hours a week helping him. He's a mechanical engineer so could probably help Tom out with a few topics if he needs it.

I very much expect to learn everything he's learning alongside him, especially while he's young and learning to self-teach. Our family already have bi-weekly quiz nights or board games nights, he takes part although he's still a bit young, and hopefully continuing to do that will be a fun way to challenge him as he grows.

He's just written 1-29 on a piece of paper. He's an actual genius, I'm scared.
 
I absolutely love the idea of home schooling, I don't know if it will be something we will actually be able to do but I will definitely be looking into it!

I would like to share something with you though, I've recently bought "What Every Parent Needs To Know" by Margot Sunderland and it is absolutely fascinating. Tommo, you mention that you want to make sure your children grow up without any mental health problems etc, this is a big part of this book. Would recommend it to anyone!
 
Will check it out on my kindle as soon as I get home. Thanks :) x
 
I absolutely love the idea of home schooling, I don't know if it will be something we will actually be able to do but I will definitely be looking into it!

I would like to share something with you though, I've recently bought "What Every Parent Needs To Know" by Margot Sunderland and it is absolutely fascinating. Tommo, you mention that you want to make sure your children grow up without any mental health problems etc, this is a big part of this book. Would recommend it to anyone!

Margot is amazing, I've been at some seminars where she has spoken and I love her stuff!! I have The Science of Parenting.
 
She sounds it leesey! The Science of Parenting is on my amazon wish list :)
 
Some links!

I have found a good few here but I am not sure how I have bookmarked them and I know I have more somewhere. Can't think if I have them in an old Firefox backup or something? Will have to ask DH hopefully he will know.

Video links from TED talks. LOVE THESE! Especially Sir Ken Robinson ones but this little one from an Unschooled 13 year old is just brilliant.

Hackschooling by Logan Laplante: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11u3vtcpaY

Do Schools Kill Creativity by Ken Robinson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

How to Escape Education's Death Valley (talks about the academic inflation and lessening value of a university degree) by Ken Robinson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX78iKhInsc

Homeschooling/Unschooling Blogs


Motherhood on a Dime. Homeschooling rather than Unschooling, but with lots of pro-God, organic ideas and core values:
http://www.motherhoodonadime.com/ki...thout-offending-everyone-who-reads-this-blog/

Yes, I can Write. Unschooled teen's own blog. I don't particularly like her attitude all of the time but she definitely has a good insight. Maybe more of a hippy-ish point of view than we would be used to in UK. (She's from USA.)
http://yes-i-can-write.blogspot.co.uk/p/new-to-this-blog-new-to-unschooling.html

Zenhabits. Really strong, organic point of view. Challenging how things work, a bit hippy-ish too but in a Take Control, Be Healthy sort of way.
http://zenhabits.net/unschool/

I will have to update this when I find the other bookmarks. I know its easy to find but I can't bloody find it!

Individual Posts/Good Reading:


Multi-award winning schoolteacher John Taylor Gatto's Six lessons you pay for so should know about in American schooling. (Unfortunately not limited to USA.):
http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html

Fabulous Unschooling Dad Lee Stranahan's positive article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/unschooling-how-igood-mor_b_543880.html

Unschooling Debate:
http://www.universityaffairs.ca/unschooling-legitimate-pedagogy-or-foolish-fad.aspx

Article by a girl who was Unschooled:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/unschooling-gaining-popul_n_940770.html

Will update shortly xx
 

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