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I've just had health visitor in to weigh Arianna as she didn't put on much weight when we went to clinic. Since Tuesday she has only put on 1/2oz. The health visitor has now told me to get an appt today with the doctor as she thinks she has reflux problems.

I'm so worried as my nephew had this and ended up in hospital as he stopped feeding.

Arianna takes about 70ml a feed (every 4-5hrs) if she does take more she is sick - big style!

I've got dr with her at 11.45am - has anyone else had this problem?

S. xx
 
Hi Hun,

Just want to give you a MSSIVE hug - reflux is one the worst things to live with :hug:

Has your HV mentioned Gaviscon yet? It's a milk thickening ingredient.
What milk is Arianna on?
Have you changed milk recently?
Have they mentioned other meds yet?
Have they mentioned a new feeding routine?

Sorry for the lots of questions, I just wanna get the best grounds I can :) My son suffers with it and has done since birth. It had settled down but now he won't eat much because of it :wall:

Any questions hunnie, let me know. I'll try and help you the best I can as I've already been through it :) xxxxx
 
Hi Sami

Thanks so much for your reply!

The doctor confirmed it is reflux :cry: and I got a prescription for gaviscon.

Arianna is on breast milk (expressed as wont take from me - dr thinks prob due to reflux!)

She takes about 2oz fine but anything more she is sick with - I mean mega sick - projectile!!

He has gave me the gaviscon to try for a month to see how it goes so hopefully :pray: :pray:

I've also been told to wake her every 4hrs to feed her as just now she can sleep for 5-6hrs at a time.

I'm so down as my nephew had it really bad and ended up in hospital feeding through tubes - I SOOO hope it doesnt get that bad for Arianna. Plus my hubby is away this weekend so feeling a bit tearful about it all.... but hey I've coped with worse!

Thanks again

S. xx
 
:hug: my son is getting to the point where he might have to have tubes again because he wont drink or eat anymore :wall:

With the gaviscon, if it doesn't work over the next 2 weeks, it won't work, so don't wait a month and suffer longer than needs be. It doesn't always work to be honest, but some babies get an improvement with it.

I would suggest (and I'm sorry you might not like this idea) but moving her onto formula. Breast milk is thin in consistency, wheras a reflux milk such as SMA Staydown (which Damien is on) or Cow & Cate Omneo Comfort (which Damien has used) could work a heck of alot better. You won't need to use Gaviscon with it as it's already pre-thickened. (You can get SMA Staydown on prescription so it's free!)

Damien was on expressed milk but I had to change him as he was just so so sick.

Damien used to projectile, makes the carpet look lovely eh!! I'd invest in about 30 muslin cloth instead of bibs, they catch the puke better and can cover you leg when winding! :lol:

The feeding little more often thing was tried with Damien and didn't help much, the less he took the more he chucked, but again it's one of them things which will work for some and not others.

It DOES get better with age I promise.

xxx
 
I hope so.... my doctor did mention trying formula but said to wait a few weeks. I'd be so gutted if I had to change.... I'm still annoyed she wont take it direct from me but we'll have to try I suppose

S. xx
 
Definately give the Gaviscon a whirl, but if it doesn't work try SMA Staydown.

I'm always on MSN if you want some advice or guidance.

What bottles does she use out of interest? Does she wind well?
 
SarahH would you mind if I relayed your problem to some women who are very experienced with breastfeeding and associated issues that might be able to help you continue breastfeeding (albeit with expressing). I'm sure they would be able to help you, especially as you seem so keen to continue with giving Arianna breastmilk it would be a shame if you had to give up hon :hug:
 
Harley has bad reflux but i just live with it as he is putting on weight.

as a baby i had serious reflux my sick would shoot out about 2meters like a fountine. no one knew what was wrong untill i was 6weeks old weighing 4lb and nearly dead through dehidration. i had emergancy op and have been left with a massive nasty scar accross my belly

if it is serious then it is only keyhole sergry nower days, but atleast they have noticed he might have it no one would listen to me with Harley untill the doc seen how sick he got.

its just normal to me now how much harleys sick but it dont bother him any more were as before he would cry with the acid reflux pain :(

let us no how it goes x x
 
Founds some info on Kellymom for breastfed babies with reflux

Breastfeeding Tips

Aim for frequent breastfeeding, whenever baby cues to feed. These smaller, more frequent feedings can be easier to digest.
Try positioning baby in a semi-upright or sitting position when breastfeeding, or recline back so that baby is above and tummy-to-tummy with mom. See this information on upright nursing positions.
For fussy, reluctant feeders, try lots of skin to skin contact, breastfeeding in motion (rocking, walking), in the bath or when baby is sleepy.
Ensure good latch to minimize air swallowing.
Allow baby to completely finish one breast (by waiting until baby pulls off or goes to sleep) before you offer the other. Don't interrupt active suckling just to switch sides. Switching sides too soon or too often can cause excessive spitting up (see Too Much Milk?). For babies who want to breastfeed very frequently, try switching sides every few hours instead of at every feed.
Encourage non-nutritive/comfort sucking at the breast, since non-nutritive sucking reduces irritation and speeds gastric emptying.
Avoid rough or fast movement or unnecessary jostling or handling of your baby right after feeding. Baby may be more comfortable when help upright much of the time. It is often helpful to burp often.
As always, watch your baby and follow his cues to determine what works best to ease the reflux symptoms.


What can I do to minimize spitting up/reflux?

Breastfeed! Reflux is less common in breastfed babies. In addition, breastfed babies with reflux have been shown to have shorter and fewer reflux episodes and less severe reflux at night than formula-fed babies [Heacock 1992]. Breastfeeding is also best for babies with reflux because breastmilk leaves the stomach much faster [Ewer 1994] (so there’s less time for it to back up into the esophagus) and is probably less irritating when it does come back up.
The more relaxed your infant is, the less the reflux.
Eliminate all environmental tobacco smoke exposure, as this is a significant contributing factor to reflux.
Reduce or eliminate caffeine. Excessive caffeine in mom's diet can contribute to reflux.
Allergy should be suspected in all infant reflux cases. According to a review article in Pediatrics [Salvatore 2002], up to half of all GERD cases in babies under a year are associated with cow’s milk protein allergy. The authors note that symptoms can be similar and recommend that pediatricians screen all babies with GERD for cow’s milk allergy. Allergic babies generally have other symptoms in addition to spitting up.
Positioning:
Reflux is worst when baby lies flat on his back.
Many parents have found that carrying baby in a sling or other baby carrier can be helpful.
Avoid compressing baby’s abdomen - this can increase reflux and discomfort. Dress baby in loose clothing with loose diaper waistbands; avoid “slumped over” or bent positions; for example, roll baby on his side rather than lifting legs toward tummy for diaper changes.
Recent research has compared various positions to determine which is best for babies with reflux. Elevating baby's head did not make a significant difference in these studies [Carroll 2002, Secker 2002, Craig 2004], although many moms have found that baby is more comfortable when in an upright position. The positions shown to significantly reduce reflux include lying on the left side and prone (baby on his tummy). Placing the infant in a prone position should only be done when the child is awake and can be continuously monitored. Prone positioning during sleep is almost never recommended due to the increased SIDS risk. [Secker 2002]
Although recent research does not support recommendations to keep baby in a semi-upright position (30° elevation), this remains a common recommendation. Positioning at a 60° elevation in an infant seat or swing has been found to increase reflux compared with the prone (tummy down) position [Carroll 2002, Secker 2002].
As always, experiment to find what works best for your baby.
If your child is taking reflux medications, keep in mind that dosages generally need to be monitored and adjusted frequently as baby grows.

What about thickened feeds?
Baby cereal, added to thicken breastmilk or formula, has been used as a treatment for GER for many years, but its use is controversial.

Does it work? Thickened feeds can reduce spitting up, but studies have not shown a decrease in reflux index scores (i.e., the “silent reflux” is still present). Per Donna Secker, MS, RD in Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease , "The effect of thickened feedings may be more cosmetic (decreased regurgitation and increased postprandial sleeping) than beneficial." Thickened feeds have been associated with increased coughing after feedings, and may also decrease gastric emptying time and increase reflux episodes and aspiration. Note that rice cereal will not effectively thicken breastmilk due to the amylase (an enzyme that digests carbohydrates) naturally present in the breastmilk.

Is it healthy for baby? If you do thicken feeds, monitor baby’s intake since baby may take in less milk overall and thus decrease overall nutrient intake. There are a number of reasons to avoid introducing cereal and other solids early. There is evidence that the introduction of rice or gluten-containing cereals before 3 months of age increases baby's risk for type I diabetes. In addition, babies with GERD are more likely to need all their defenses against allergies, respiratory infections and ear infections – but studies show that early introduction of solids increases baby’s risk for all of these conditions.

The breastfeeding relationship: Early introduction of solids is associated with early weaning. Babies with reflux are already at greater risk for fussy nursing behavior, nursing strikes or premature weaning if baby associates reflux discomfort with breastfeeding.
 
It's a shame the same didn't apply for Damien, he chucked quicker than it went out the other side! :lol: Interesting read Kina. I hope she can stay on EBM and that the wide neck bottles you mentioned on MSN and Gaviscon work together to help Sarah.

Not sure I agree with everything that article says from living with reflux for 7 months, but then I'm not the health professional. Namely this bit from my personal experience and shown on the results of a reflux acid study.
The effect of thickened feedings may be more cosmetic (decreased regurgitation and increased postprandial sleeping) than beneficial."

Definately agree with this, side or tummy is so much better and more comfortable for them, but as the article says, it is not recomended to let them sleep this ways becasue of Cot Death. Damien has a apnoea monitor so I let him sleep on him tummy.
Reflux is worst when baby lies flat on his back.
Many parents have found that carrying baby in a sling or other baby carrier can be helpful.
Avoid compressing baby’s abdomen - this can increase reflux and discomfort. Dress baby in loose clothing with loose diaper waistbands; avoid “slumped over” or bent positions; for example, roll baby on his side rather than lifting legs toward tummy for diaper changes. ....
......The positions shown to significantly reduce reflux include lying on the left side and prone (baby on his tummy). Placing the infant in a prone position should only be done when the child is awake and can be continuously monitored. Prone positioning during sleep is almost never recommended due to the increased SIDS risk.
 
I didn't mention any wide neck bottles on MSN :?


Not sure I agree with everything that article says from living with reflux for 7 months, but then I'm not the health professional. Namely this bit from my personal experience and shown on the results of a reflux acid study
Wasn't picking an argument with you Sami with the article, just trying to help Sarah manage the reflux and continue breastfeeding :)

Sarah - I see that Kate has responded to you (the one that I was hoping would) hopefully she'll be able to offer some good advice as she's breastfed twins with reflux and I know they struggled at first.
 
Thank you both for your help.... all advice is hugely appriciated.

Kina - I was showing Sami the bottles on MSN!!

Arianna wont go to sleep on her back at all - she will only fall asleep sitting upright in either my husband or my arms and once she's in a deep sleep I can put her down in her crib.

Well she has managed to have 3 1/2 oz this morning with no vomit so hopefully this will continue!

Thanks again! Will let you know in a couple of days how it's going!

S. xx
 
Kina said:
I didn't mention any wide neck bottles on MSN :?


Not sure I agree with everything that article says from living with reflux for 7 months, but then I'm not the health professional. Namely this bit from my personal experience and shown on the results of a reflux acid study
Wasn't picking an argument with you Sami with the article, just trying to help Sarah manage the reflux and continue breastfeeding :)

I know you wern't hun, I wasn't directing my comments at you personally, just at the article, and with just my experience. Reflux is a tough one to deal with and there are many conflicting articles and viewpoints on what can help, because babies have different reflux - silent reflux, vomiting reflux or both. I was talking to Sarah about the wide neck bottles on MSN. :)

Arianna wont go to sleep on her back at all - she will only fall asleep sitting upright in either my husband or my arms and once she's in a deep sleep I can put her down in her crib.
That's just how Damien was, have you tried having the cot tipped up at an angle? Put a rolled up towel under the head end, it normally helps them a little bit.
 
Sarah I know a lady whose son suffered badly from reflux - she used to sleep with him upright and wears him in a carrier a lot. It might be worth checking out the different types of carriers out there as firstly they're really nice to snuggle with your baby in (Arianna will love it) plus it should offer her some comfort with being held upright, plus you can still potter around if the urge takes you ;) It might help with the bf aswell as she'll be snuggled in nice and close to your boobies :)

There has been a few threads on here recently about carriers like pouches, mei tais etc that you might find interesting :)
I hope she can stay on EBM and that the wide neck bottles you mentioned on MSN and Gaviscon work together to help Sarah.

Sorry Sami it was that bit that confused me about the bottles as I thought the comment was directed at me :)
 
Carriers are definately a good idea, I kept Damien in a sling half the time, it kept him calm and relaxed, aswell as upright :)
 
Slightly changing the subject - but I'm so chuffed!!

Arianna just took a feed from me directly off the boob! Woohoo!!

She was sleeping do I thought I'd have a bath as hubby is away and she was bedded..... she started crying so I got out the bath and she was sucking on the towel so thought I'd give it another go and she took a feed!! About 30min! And then I gave her the gaviscon mixed with water as it says for bf babies!

I'll give it another go again later :pray: :pray:

Teeeheee!!! so happy!!

S. xx
 
Thats great news babe!! Replied to your other thread but dead chuffed for you :D
 
Sarah I'm so pleased for you hon!! Well done to you and Arianna, long may it continue :D :D Perhaps now with the gaviscon she feels more comfortable and able to do it :D :hug:

How did it go overnight?
 

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