Arnica question.....

[paradysso]

Im adding my 2 pennies worth I brought the labour homeopathy kit

and i took the arnica amongst others, and i healed from terrible labia tears within a week enough to be having sex again (it was that bad they wanted to stitch it but i refused any)

ive had many surgeries and things in my life where ive never taken homeopathy remedies and i generally take alot longer then most to heal and normally get infection from having a healing wound for so long.

Im a total fan and I know it works. Its totally worth it

 

[Jade&Evie]

I'd never heard of this before BUT I'm going to give it a go... As Dr Pepper would say- What's the worse that can happen!?

 

[mrs_tommo22]

I went to Boots today, and found arnica tablets in doses in 6C and 30C, with no indication on them as to which was the stronger. The pharmacist told me that 6C is definitely the stronger, as the C refers to how many times it has been diluted. However, since getting home I've seen lots of articles on the internet and consulted a homeopathy site (as well as the thread linked above), and it appears that 30C is the stronger, not 6C. And in fact for childbirth, you are recommended to use 200C if you can get it! (It seems that in homeopathy, the more times something is diluted = the stronger it will be.)

Could it be right that I have been given completely the wrong information by the pharmacist in Boots???? That's pretty scary if it's true.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Thanks,

Jo xxx

Hi Jo,
I have been lurking on these forums for a few weeks now because my wife is expecting. Ive not felt the need to reply before but your post has pushed me into action and I've registered.

You are quite correct to be surprised that 200C is more powerful than 6C, the math is that even with 30C the active substance is diluted by more than the number of atoms in the universe.

The simple truth is that homeopathy only works by placebo. This is science fact, there are no doubts amongst the medical profession about this. It cant possibly harm you because there is no active ingredient but you will be wasteing your money if you buy it.

very good link about this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/nov/16/sciencenews.g2

Tell you what tom, grow a womb and pop out some babies and use arnica and then you can comment! I have used arnica for my first and found it a godsend!

 

[Geordie&Bairn]

wat strength did you all take in labour and those waiting to pop which have you bought?

you on a mission to have baby like NOW arnt you
Raspberry tea ,Arnica lookig for signs of labour
yes i am your offical PF STALKER
Have you started eating pineapples and getting lavander oil massages from ken yet?

 

[Lisamj]

Yep, 30c is stronger.

I used some just before and just after an op a couple of years ago.

I wasn't sure if they were working or not but as soon as the pack ran out, within a couple of days the bruising and swelling really came out....so from my experience arnica does work. So, I'm going to start popping them as soon as baby boo is born.

Lisa x

 

[fuffins1981]

I had never really heard of Arnica.

All I know is that if the doubt is planted that something is a placebo, it wont work. For a placebo to work, people have to belive it to be real completely.

I am guessing that is why this is an emotive issue, as people want to believe this works. I have no clue if it is a placebo or not, as like I said, I have never heard of it lol

I healed very well with my son. And obviously spotting bruises would have been difficult...So, at least this is one thing I can svae money on lol

 

[BeckyJ]

wat strength did you all take in labour and those waiting to pop which have you bought?

you on a mission to have baby like NOW arnt you
Raspberry tea ,Arnica lookig for signs of labour
yes i am your offical PF STALKER
Have you started eating pineapples and getting lavander oil massages from ken yet?

yep ive started on the pineapple as well

 

[fuffins1981]

Seems the true evidence is from those who have used it....And it seems conclusively positive.

Thinking rationally, I cannot see how a plcebo could heal tears and so on. So, it must have true benefits. Would take amazing power of the mind to heal wounds in the body.

It does not harm, so people may aswell keep taking it!

 

[tom]

Gymbalez story about being recomended arnica by a surgeon made me go rushing off to do more research.
I have found what I belive to be the confusion, you can buy real arnica.

This is arnica cream.
http://www.gnc.co.uk/nelsons/arnica-cream/product.htm?AFID=70&SAFID=GOOGLE&SCID=8576
If you read the ingredients page you will see that its 9% arnica. You rub it into bruises and it fixes them faster.
great.


This is a homeopathy arnica pill
http://www.nelsonshomoeopathy.co.uk/coffee/pages/0992109161.shtml
Nowhere in that product description will you find a percentage content of arnica because by the time you dilute your mixture by 1 part to 100 six times in a row there is no arnica left.

This is not an argument with me saying 'arnica dosnt work' and others saying 'yes it does, i used it'. All I want to get across is that if you buy the 6C or the 30C homeopathy pills, you will not get any arnica. Thats just how homeopathy works.

In summary, the cream has arnica in it, the pills dont. Feel free to try the cream, it may work. The pills cant possibly be more effective than placebo.

 

[BeckyJ]

do you girls think the 30c would be ok?

 

[paradysso]

The theory of how it works.

In homeopathy, a key premise is that every person is subject to a universal "vital energy" which needs to be balanced to promote the body's self-healing response. When this energy is disrupted or imbalanced, health problems develop. Homeopathic remedies aim to restore vital energy balance and thus stimulate the body's own healing response.

Hahnemann used many dangerous ingredients in his research and realised that such compounds needed to be diluted to be used. The system he developed became known as the theory of infinitesimals. It is obvious that diluting a substance weakens its effects so in order to preserve the effects of the remedy despite the dilution, Hahnemann developed the dilution process known as 'potentisation'.

Homeopaths start with a mother tincture (the remedy to be used dissolved in water or alcohol) and then normally dilute the remedy by 1 part in 100 (known as a C dilution) - although 1:10 dilutions (X potencies) and 1:1000 dilutions (M potencies) are also used. In order to retain the properties of the mother tincture the diluted remedy is shaken vigorously (known as succussion) and banged ten times against a solid object. This process is believed to transfer the 'spiritual essence' of the remedy to the water it is diluted in. This is a 'potentised' 1C solution.

It wasn't known in Hahnemann's day but there is a limit to how far a substance can be diluted. Once the 12C dilution is reached there's only a 60% chance that one single molecule of the original mother tincture remains in the solution. (In depth explanation).

Modern homeopaths are aware of this fundamental flaw but they still go on diluting past the 12C potency. One of the most common potencies used is 30C. i.e. once the 12C limit has been reached they dilute the remedy by 1:100 a further 18 times. Of course this means that all that is being done is that water is being dissolved in more water - there's none of the original mother tincture left in the solution.

Homeopaths have an answer to this however. They believe that water has a 'memory' - through the process of potentisation, the water remembers the 'essence' of the mother tincture that was once dissolved in it.

Once the remedy has been obtained in the required potency, sugar pills are dipped in the remedy and allowed to dry. The essence of the original mother tincture is now believed to have been transferred to the pill. If a pill with the essence of the remedy is allowed to come into contact with other sugar pills (such as placing them all together in a jar), it is believed that the other pills will also acquire the essence of the mother tincture. This process is known as 'grafting'.

 

[fuffins1981]

So, does that mean that anything diluted beyong 12c simply is water then and can have no 'real' benefits?

 

[mummysarah+co]

omg that was a right task to read through!!
Im so confused now.

Why do people always have to butt in and ruin a good thing?

so what if its a placebo? if it works, then it works simple as that, anything is worth a try to help heal better after a huge thing like childbirth surely?

I think its each to their own im still optimistic.