Arnica question.....

[BeckyJ]

i want to get some for my hospital bag, what form do you get and what strength? thanks

 

[sunnyday]

This is a good post to read, it will tell you everything you need to know!

http://www.pregnancyforum.co.uk/forum/v ... ght=arnica

 

[Jodles]

I went to Boots today, and found arnica tablets in doses in 6C and 30C, with no indication on them as to which was the stronger. The pharmacist told me that 6C is definitely the stronger, as the C refers to how many times it has been diluted. However, since getting home I've seen lots of articles on the internet and consulted a homeopathy site (as well as the thread linked above), and it appears that 30C is the stronger, not 6C. And in fact for childbirth, you are recommended to use 200C if you can get it! (It seems that in homeopathy, the more times something is diluted = the stronger it will be.)

Could it be right that I have been given completely the wrong information by the pharmacist in Boots???? That's pretty scary if it's true.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Thanks,

Jo xxx

 

[Suzie and Faith]

Hey, from what i have read 30C is a higher dose than 6C - it is definitely worrying that the boots pharmacist was wrong!
I have boots 30C ones, they were given to me by a very nice forum member

Arnica
For use after physical trauma helping the body heal quickly, limiting bruising and soreness. It also helps with shock and tired restlessness following physical trauma.
To use; Take one pill as soon as possible after third stage and another 3 in the following 24hrs, 3 the next day and 2 the day after. You may find taking 2 a day for a while will continue to ease the soreness or it may be the Arnica is not needed any more, it depends how much trauma your body has had. The main work is done soon after the birth. Most midwives are familiar with mothers taking Arnica after childbirth.
For most labours Arnica 30 is sufficient, if you have a Caesarean or a very physically intense/traumatic birth then you will need to take Arnica 200. Most midwives are used to mothers taking Arnica.

this is what i've found...

hope it helps x

 

[Geordie&Bairn]

You learn something new every day
id not even heard of using Arnica to help after the birth.
how dose it work and why dose it work?
i really not as clued up as most of you guys at all

sarah

 

[tom]

I went to Boots today, and found arnica tablets in doses in 6C and 30C, with no indication on them as to which was the stronger. The pharmacist told me that 6C is definitely the stronger, as the C refers to how many times it has been diluted. However, since getting home I've seen lots of articles on the internet and consulted a homeopathy site (as well as the thread linked above), and it appears that 30C is the stronger, not 6C. And in fact for childbirth, you are recommended to use 200C if you can get it! (It seems that in homeopathy, the more times something is diluted = the stronger it will be.)

Could it be right that I have been given completely the wrong information by the pharmacist in Boots???? That's pretty scary if it's true.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Thanks,

Jo xxx

Hi Jo,
I have been lurking on these forums for a few weeks now because my wife is expecting. Ive not felt the need to reply before but your post has pushed me into action and I've registered.

You are quite correct to be surprised that 200C is more powerful than 6C, the math is that even with 30C the active substance is diluted by more than the number of atoms in the universe.

The simple truth is that homeopathy only works by placebo. This is science fact, there are no doubts amongst the medical profession about this. It cant possibly harm you because there is no active ingredient but you will be wasteing your money if you buy it.

very good link about this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/nov/16/sciencenews.g2

 

[*Cupcake*]

I really dont think they are "placebos"

 

[sunnyday]

I have been lurking on these forums for a few weeks now because my wife is expecting. Ive not felt the need to reply before but your post has pushed me into action and I've registered.

You are quite correct to be surprised that 200C is more powerful than 6C, the math is that even with 30C the active substance is diluted by more than the number of atoms in the universe.

The simple truth is that homeopathy only works by placebo. This is science fact, there are no doubts amongst the medical profession about this. It cant possibly harm you because there is no active ingredient but you will be wasteing your money if you buy it.

very good link about this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/nov/16/sciencenews.g2

Placebo or not, if it helps to get me through labour then I'm having it

 

[*Cupcake*]

Placebo or not, if it helps to get me through labour then I'm having it

Amen to that

 

[Suzie and Faith]

I have to agree- whether it is the placebo affect or not if it works in some way then i'm all for trying it!

I've heard good things about arnica and it's affects on healing and i don't see any harm in giving it a go if the worst it can do is make no difference whatsoever!

 

[GBLiz]

ive been specifically instructed by a dr to use arnica before an op i had once, so the entire medical profession are not in agreement at all!

i have loads of arnica tabs , not sure what dose they are (will check when i get home) but i assume i could just take more of them if they are a weak dose?

 

[tom]

ive been specifically instructed by a dr to use arnica before an op i had once, so the entire medical profession are not in agreement at all!

Yer, loads of Midwives seem to recomend it as well, the only explainations are:
a) they know that the pills are just water but they told you to take them as placebo.
b) they actually belive they will work.

Personaly I hope its a) as it worries me to think that a dr really belives in homeopathy.

 

[GBLiz]

it wasnt a midwife, it was a surgeon who instructed me to take it, it was for an op completely unrelated to childbirth.

the pills cant be water because they are solid white things DOH

some homoepathic remedies are empirically proven to have benefit. And a lot of man-made remedies have natural ingredients for the same reason. I wouldnt be so quick to judge if i were you tom

 

[tom]

it wasnt a midwife, it was a surgeon who instructed me to take it, it was for an op completely unrelated to childbirth.

the pills cant be water because they are solid white things DOH

some homoepathic remedies are empirically proven to have benefit. And a lot of man-made remedies have natural ingredients for the same reason. I wouldnt be so quick to judge if i were you tom

obviously its an emotive issue and belive me I dont want to troll here. I posted my little link to the guardien news story, I think people should have a little read and make their own minds up.

yes the pills are not water, they are sugar, its the 'active ingreedient' thats added to the pills that is effectively water.

some homoepathic remedies are empirically proven to have benefit. And a lot of man-made remedies have natural ingredients for the same reason.

I agree 100% that natural ingredients can have medicinal effect, that is where medicine comes from and why its so important to preserve rainforests etc. What I am saying is that even if the natural ingredient in these recipies did have an effect, its can not possibly have an effect once you have diluted it to such a degree that there is no longer a molecular presence of the ingredient in the water.

If beckyj posted on this forum saying "ive been recomended herbal remedy xxx" I would keep my mouth shut. I know nothing about specific herbal remedies and for all I know xxx could work. Its just because the magic word 'homeopathy' was mentioned that I can confidently claim that its just placebo.

 

[Tillytots]

I know they have sugar in them but who cares if they're placebos (which I refuse to believe) If they work why knock it!

Ive got my Arnica at the ready but one small thing.... I have read that to take Arnica whilst in labour at hospital you need a certificate from your homeopath??????? Does anyone know if this true? If it is then OH will be administering them on the quiet LOL

I have them in Super strength as recommended by naturalmamma I bruise really easily so Ive got the 1M bad boys!!!

 

[GBLiz]

i wouldnt take one newapaper article as fact! I agree studies have been inconclusive- some say its completely ineffective and others say it does show a benefit- BUT i find it amusing that you will happily attribute any posiitve effect to 'powers of the mind' which is the most scientifically unproveable thing of all!!

if power of the mind (i.e) placebo is SOOO powerful it needs a whole new branch of medicine of its own!

 

[Suzie and Faith]

I agree!

And I have to say Tom that, presuming you are not a pregnant lady, you cannot say for certain what they do or don't do when it comes to labour as you'll never experience it!

 

[sparky]

i've taken arnica for years and it definately works after all its been proved to be a powerful anti-inflamatory!!

I agree with Tom that everyone should research, but a single journalist-led piece wouldnt really be the best place to start!

 

[BeckyJ]

wat strength did you all take in labour and those waiting to pop which have you bought?

 

[Penstraze]

I find it hard to believe the only way they work is by placebo as previously I had only heard about Arnica through dog forums as it is used alot to help aid healing in animals and it works for this I doubt very much that the dog thinks oooh now I've had Arnica I'll heal quicker!!

But I agree with the others I don't care how they work ie medically or by placebo (which I can't see myself!!) if they work thats good enough for me!