Vaccines?

[MissKW]

Hi, I'm currently 32 weeks pregnant with my first baby and I am really sceptical about vaccinations.
To start with I, like most other people was just going to have them all done as its the norm and we are told it keeps us and our babies safe and are told the side effects are very minimal, so it seemed like a no brainer.
I had my flu jab booked months ago, the day before I just so happened to come across a video and some articles with lots of scary info. It made me think twice, I looked into it and decided to stay well away as for me the benefits simply did not outweigh the risks.
After a lot of discussion with my husband and family about the whooping cough jab we could not come to a straight decision as there's hardly any info out there about it to be able to compare whether it was worth doing or not. Eventually hubby decided to 'play it safe' and wanted me to have it, so I did a few days ago and already regret it as I feel like I have potentially poisoned my baby without proper reason.
I did question the nurse about it and she told me it wasn't safe for babies under 8 weeks, so I asked if that was the case why it was safe for an unborn baby that we currently don't know is healthy or not and she looked confused and actually told me she wasn't sure. She also said she hadn't come across any babies with whooping cough at all in the area but had only 'heard' of cases and how dangerous it could be. Yet stupidly not knowing if its actually safe I went ahead with it anyway, only to find out later that actually in one of the worst years when there were 14 deaths, only 2 of those did not have the vaccine against it.

I was looking into the 8week jabs and it really did worry me. When I looked into some of the diseases it seemed there really was no need for there to be a vaccine for it at all, as any risks were pretty much none existent or extremely small to the point where over 95% of peoples bodies can deal with it without you knowing you even have it and the small percentage that do would simply need antibiotics and make a full recovery with any complications being extremely rare. Or such as the heb B, why would any baby actually need that if nobody around them carries it?? We are tested early in pregnancy, so if I don't have it, why does he need it, he's not going to be out fooling around for a long time, right, or am I missing something?
Not only this, but there are 7 diseases in the first vaccine, surely that's far far too much for a new borns tiny body to deal with (or anybody's for that matter!). A lot of it seems utterly pointless to me, why so many in a jab and why so often??
I am stuck in 2 minds about whether its worth doing. There seems to be so many unexplainably ill children these days, when I was young it was very rare I came across an ill child, now there seems to be more ill than healthy (and a LOT more vaccines)..
I don't want to simply not vaccinate and risk an ill child, but I also don't want to simply go with the flow and get them all only to potentially end up with an ill child anyway...
I have tried so hard to research uk vaccines but there simply isn't enough evidence or statistics to prove that its actually worth doing, or that it isn't. Even my nurse and midwife cant answer any of my questions.
What I have found however is at least 65% of vaccinated children still get sick anyway, so is it really worth it?
Also some of the older vaccine inserts listed side effects are extremely shocking and scary! To the point where there were far more deaths and illnesses created from the vaccine itself than from any actual disease :/ Even the swine flu jab did far more damage than good and destroyed many young lives. And just to make it worse I also read that vaccines did not cure any of the old diseases but it faded out eventually, naturally through herd immunity and was pretty much gone before the vaccines played any part. So basically there is no evidence out there (that I have seen) that proves those vaccines, or any vaccines do actually work.
I promise I'm not totally anti vaccine lol I have just read into it too much and scared myself.

Anyway, what I want to know is have any of you decided against vaccinating your babies, or is there a way of actually choosing which ones they do and don't have (seen as everything seems to be shoved into just 1 these days)??
Also what are your reasons for not doing the vaccines?
Has anybody had any experience of vaccine injury?

I just want to make my decisions as informed as possible and do the best I can for my baby. maybe I am over thinking and worrying too much but I just want to keep him safe and at least think I'm doing the right thing in my own mind.

Thanks in advance ladies!

 

[Princess81]

I would 100% vaccinate.
I’ve not witnessed vacc injury but have seen deaths from flu and encephalitis derived from measles. I just couldn’t live with myself if my child (a) got these illnesses and (b) passed them to other children.

 

[candymycandy]

MissKW what are the sources of info you’ve read? I’d be very careful on where you read things about vaccines to make sure it’s unbiased? I am a big believer in vaccines, it’s a no brainer for me personally. I’ve seen the effects of some of the diseases they protect against and to me, it’s not worth the risk. Re whooping cough, we pass the antibodies created from the vaccine to the baby via placenta, so assuming the vaccine itself doesn’t pass over or it’s in a negligible quantity.

As I understand it, herd immunity is only effective when enough people are vaccinated, but isn’t a failsafe. Also people with low immunity or those who’ve not yet received vaccines are reliant on those who can get them not to pass on diseases.

Xx

 

[Hoping for no2]

I can only echo what has been said above. I’d avoid looking online and take advice from medical professionals personally. Vaccines are not 100% effective but do work a lot of the time. They vaccinate against chicken pox in the US and it’s very rare to find a child that gets it nowadays over there. Clearly the vaccine works as most kids get it here where the vaccine isn’t offered on the NHS.

 

[kirlou92]

When I was a young girl I remember my cousin was very ill with measles - my aunty had opted out of the vaccinations. That same cousin has also had a hep infection in his later life because of being ant-vaccine.

I don't like the thought of vaccines and often wonder where they are sourced from. I also think it's awful how many injections our babies have to have when they are only 8 weeks old and so tiny and vulnerable!

But, I would feel awful if my baby got any of those illnesses when there was a chance it could have been prevented. I let my DD have all vaccines and I don't regret it now. Especially with how devastating the effects of diseases like Meningitis are and even complications from flu such as Pneumonia!

Don't overthink it!

 

[Shanivy]

It's understandable you would feel like there's so much conflicting information out there. I would maybe err on the side of caution as to where you get research from.

Also I'd like to mention that herd immunity is only effective when enough people have actually been vaccinated. The number of people contracting disease then falls low enough that our young babies for example are safe enough from catching it until they are old enough to be vaccinated against the same disease. Or the elderly/anyone with low immune systems. Even people/children with cancer etc. When people stop being vaccinated, herd immunity falls and the disease numbers rise. Relying on it to not vaccinate is not a feasible option

For me I vaccinated my daughter. She also got the flu jab this year.I have asthma, so get it every year without any side effects. I'm pregnant which also puts me in the vulnerable category. I've had the flu jab, and whooping cough.This year from flu there have been children who have died from the complications. And being pregnant means a lot of women are more likely to have more serious complications if they do catch it. Young babies can die from complications for a cold, so for me personally I'd vaccinate every time.

I'd not overthink it to be honest. My worry as a mum is actually from the people who don't vaccinate children, catching something like measles etc, and passing it to young children/babies who are too young to have been vaccinated yet, or have poor immune systems and would likely suffer the worst xx

 

[Kholl]

MissKW, I completely understand.

With my first baby, I read so much and watched a lot of anti-vaccine doctors speaking about the issues with vaccines. I was also part of an alternative online community where probably 90% of the moms did not vaccinate. I am generally "alternative" and "crunchy" (co-sleep, baby-wear, practice attachment parenting in general) and that often comes hand-in-hand with not vaccinating.

I read everything you've referenced here and much, much more. By the time my baby was born I was dead set on not vaccinating. Ever. I was terrified, and convinced it was just wrong and we'd all been duped and that Big Pharma was pulling the wool over our collective eyes... I mean, I wasn't really buying into some big conspiracy theory, but I was absolutely dead set against vaccinating my kids.

It would be a much longer post than I currently have the time to write to explain how I came around and realized my mistake. One of the biggest things that determined it, though, was finding a pediatrician who was VERY well-informed herself (on the information from both sides) and who was understanding rather than judgmental. The judgmental doctors just pushed me even further into the anti-vax camp! But I spoke to several pediatricians who'd actually done all the research and who even knew everything I was referencing, and could explain exactly why they felt confident with the vaccines and how I could, too.

The fact that kids get so many shots now (including stuff like the DTaP, which is 3 different vaccines in one) SOUNDS scary, but the fact is that they get something like 2% of the scary additives/heavy metals/preservatives that WE got as kids in OUR shots. The shots are much more effective with way less yucky stuff in them now. To put it scientifically, haha...

I now vaccinate my girls on schedule and with calm confidence. That said, my son actually DOES have big scary vaccine reactions and he can't currently get shots - so I know what that looks like, too. But if he didn't have those reactions he'd be getting everything on schedule too.

I think we are so removed from the reality of the preventable diseases that the shots start to look like the bad guys. I really do understand. Please PM me if you want to discuss further, or we can do so on this thread too.

Your baby is fine! (S)he is not poisoned, and you did the right thing

 

[kumber]

I would 100% vaccinate. There has been a measles outbreak in the UK in children as recently as November just gone, and children do die from things like measles. There are no dangerous side effects from vaccinating, there are deadly effects from not vaccinating. It's a no brainer, surely.

 

[mrsmnk101]

Funnily enough i was just about to post about my sons vaccines when i stumbled across your post. My 9 week old son just has his vaccines yesterday, the full lot 3 jabs(containing loads of different vaccines) and rotavirus orally. Well he cried when the injection was given, which is normal. He was sleepy after (also normal). What wasnt normal he was hard to wake back up, when i did get him awake he was staring into thin air making some scary noises ive never heard him make before & blinking very slowly. Not responding to me or my husband (when hes usually super nosey and cant stop watching us. Frightend us to death and had to take him to the a&e. This is my 3rd child and never seen such a reaction from vaccines before. Im scared about the next lot due in a few weeks. Im thinking of opting out. Even though i dont want him to get the illnesses also. What am i supposed to do ��

 

[candymycandy]

What did the docs say at a&e mrsmnk?

 

[mrsmnk101]

Did a full check, he had a fever which i knew about and was already giving him calpol as the nurse who gave the jabs advised. They said his heart rate was high and was asking if anyone in the family is poorly. Seemed like they were trying to say someones gave him an illness of some type. Well im sorry but i dont go out often, we havent visited anyone nor has anyone visited us. He was perfectly fine until he had the jabs. He seems to be getting back to hiself now thank god!!

Was definatley a reaction to the vaccines. I dont know which one, i wish i did so i could avoid that specific one next time.

 

[Kholl]

mrsmnk, I have the same issue with my son, he has terrible and frightening reactions to vaccines (so far it seems all of them are suspect). At the moment we are avoiding vaccines altogether (as per the doctor's recommendation) and as he gets closer to school age, we will start again doing one at a time so we can monitor him closely. I am so sorry, that's terrifying! I'm glad he's ok.

 

[BunnyN]

I sympathise. There is so much propaganda and scaremongering on both sides of the issue that as a mum it makes it really hard to make an informed choice. On the whole I believe vaccination is a positive thing. It is silly though to pretend there are no real risks associated with vaccines and it irritates me that so any doctors seem to push this view. Surely it is better to give real answers to parents concerns. Of course for most people the risks are small and outweighed by the clear benefits. I certainly think that severe reactions should be taken seriously. Because of our personal family history we chose to delay vaccination but given different circumstances we probably would have done it a different way.

 

[Kholl]

Bunny, perfectly said! I couldn’t agree more.

 

[p1ngu]

Edited as I didn't realise this post was old.

 

[MissKW]

Funnily enough i was just about to post about my sons vaccines when i stumbled across your post. My 9 week old son just has his vaccines yesterday, the full lot 3 jabs(containing loads of different vaccines) and rotavirus orally. Well he cried when the injection was given, which is normal. He was sleepy after (also normal). What wasnt normal he was hard to wake back up, when i did get him awake he was staring into thin air making some scary noises ive never heard him make before & blinking very slowly. Not responding to me or my husband (when hes usually super nosey and cant stop watching us. Frightend us to death and had to take him to the a&e. This is my 3rd child and never seen such a reaction from vaccines before. Im scared about the next lot due in a few weeks. Im thinking of opting out. Even though i dont want him to get the illnesses also. What am i supposed to do ��

My son is now 4 months old. I refused flu but got the 4 in 1 for pertussis whilst pregnant. After that I carried on with research, I mean I researched and researched as I wanted to be as informed as possible and completely confident in my decisions regarding vaccines.
The more you dig the scarier it gets, there has been an awful lot hidden, covered up and completely ignored world wide!
The biggest concerns for me were that Sids rates peaked massively around vaccine times,especially the first at 8weeks, so I looked into it, there is a huge proven link between jabs and the high rates.
I then looked into the number of vaccines per country vs the sids rates. Again, more vaccines, more sids! I then descovered that Japan completely outed their vaccine schedule, their infant mortality rates plummeted dramatically over night, they became the best county for mortality rates!! Before they were up there with the worst (US, UK, France etc). Then as they started to reintroduce certain vaccines the mortality rates went up again, but after an altered schedule they still remain in the top 3. If that alone doesn't say enough, what will? Plus I read most of the package inserts and all state SIDS, neurological damage, autoimmine and nervous system disorders, meningitis etc as side effects. The list of side effects is pretty eye opening to be honest! I myself have been damaged by vaccines as a teenager and have a number of auto immune conditions because of it. On all the vaccine inserts it also states that if there is a family history of sids or the mother has immune issues etc then your child should Not be vaccinated as they are more likely to suffer side effects. Funny how not a single nurse asked me or checked before hand!
Plus there is a tonne of evidence stating vaccines have NEVER been tested as combinations, never mind in pregnant women and babies! There are a tonne of very dangerous toxins in all our vaccines and again, no evidence proving they are safe. Plus there are many studies stating that the amount we are giving at once, and as regular as we are all add up to very dangerous levels in an adults body, so imagine what it does to our babies! After seeing the things I have I'm disgusted with health services and strongly believe they are the reason so many of us are so ill. Maybe they prevent pertussis, measels etc, but would you rather them have those curable diseases or something much more serious, including Sids?
Plus a child's nervous system goes through the most crucial development until 3 years, and isn't even close to mature until 5years. So for me personally, if I do decide to vaccinate I will be waiting until he's at least 3years old. For me it's just not worth the risk. I have a close friend who was recently severly disabled by the HPV vaccine (probably the worst available at the moment). She was a very healthy young lady just weeks before, then it was a drastic downward spiral and its painful to see.
Don't forget there are many vaccines that have already been pulled and discontinued for been darn right unsafe.
Plus vaccine courts refuse to acknowledge any death or injury in the UK unless your child is over 2 years old. Why?
There was recently a health company in the US sued due to not providing vaccine safety reports for the last 30 years. These safety reports never existed, nor has there been any studies comparing health of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people.
I expected some info I came accross to be false, but sadly when you really dig, there's more and more evidence against them and not enough for them.
It's not just us, it's also our pets, especially dogs who are having all the same problems. They admit vaccines cause cancer in dogs, but deny it for human vaccines?
I'm starting to come to the realisation that they are actually destroying far more lives than they are saving (if you look at death from diseases we vaccinate against compared with death from known vaccine side effects) especially in babies. They also estimate that over 90% of vaccine reactions are not acknowledged or reported,and because those numbers arnt there, or the reaction doesn't show in a very short time following the vaccine, they are considered 'safe' even without thorough testing.
It's scared the heck out of me as a parent,
By no means am I saying not to vaccinate, but just to at least research, be informed and make your own decision before hand! It's extremely difficult and I no longer know who to trust or what to do for the brst. I think vaccines can be extremely helpful, but, why all the toxic ingredients? Why the lack of testing? And why are they all given to EVERY baby like sweets without question?
Plus its not like they test babies for allergies or do any screening before pumping them full of all sorts of cr*p either.

Please just be aware and don't simply do what everybody tells you to do. Doctors used to encourage smoking and xrays durig pregnancy and certain drugs/medicine which are now HUGE nono's!! They don't always get it right, so please ladies use your own intuition and do what you as an individual feel is best!