Clapham Junction

[AllieW]

thanks. i have to reply to this though if i may.

how can homosexuality be normal?
the primary natural reason any species have sex is to reproduce and create young.
How can sex acts between two humans of the same sex be reproductive?

no one can argue with that basic fact. and on that basis i say that homosexuality cannot and never shall be natural.

The trouble with this argument is that you are also effectively implying that infertile couples are not having normal sex, since their sex can never be reproductive.

Further more, it is well documented that same sex acts occur in other species, too, which would go some way to suggesting its naturalness.

Plus, there is far more to homosexuality than just the sex act. Just as there is with heterosexuality.

 

[budge]

i shall say no more. my view is as i wrote it and stands as such .

 

[jenna]

iv tried to reply to this thread about 6 times and cant put what i want with out it sounding wrong makes sence in my head though.

I dont see how you could show it in a bad/good light. Every one knows there can be good and bad relationships regardless of sex. Just because they showed all the bad bits doesnt mean its bad. surely any rasional person can see that?

I dont think being gay is a bad thing, i think if thats the way people feel its fine by be. Im actually all for equal rights for gay people and hate the fact that people try to get in the way (with the whole marriage thing and so on).

I didnt watch the programme so sorry if its not relavent or doesnt make sence.

 

[budge]

i didn't watch it either .

 

[glitzyglamgirl]

ok then heres my theory.

It may not be natural if you look at it from the reproductive perspective, and the angle that we are basically driven to reproduce. I believe very much so that our natural purpose has always been the survival of the species.

However, we are beyond that now. We have become, as a species, so much more than our original blueprints, and in fact our whole lives are a fight against our original natural purpose and drives, and what we have become. Its why we no longer go to sleep at dusk and wake at dawn, why we dont except infedility (even though thats also a natrual instinct designed to spread the male seed as far as possible).

So, I dont think its a question of wether its natural or not, but wether we live in a society that is excepting of sexual diversity or not.

I like to think society is changing, even that we are on the brink of an evolutionary jump (but thats a whole other forum let alone thread) so its about time people in general started realising that our ancient natural blueprints are completely irrelevant today.

 

[budge]

homosexualtty has i am sure alwasy been around though GGG.
I really want to put what i think but i honestly dare not. .......

 

[glitzyglamgirl]

homosexualtty has i am sure alwasy been around though GGG.
I really want to put what i think but i honestly dare not. .......

agreed, maybe in that case it is natural afterall and used to serve some kind of purpose, maybe as a release for pent up frustrations on a long hunt away from the women

 

[Charlotte & Emily]

homosexuality isnt just about sex though
its about the love too

i realise that not all relationships are good
i think the programme just showed bad relationships

i used to know a gay couple and they were really happy together
and my dad is friends with a couple (two women) and they have their ups and downs but they are as happy as anyone who is in a hetrosexual relationship

 

[budge]

homosexualtty has i am sure alwasy been around though GGG.
I really want to put what i think but i honestly dare not. .......

agreed, maybe in that case it is natural afterall and used to serve some kind of purpose, maybe as a release for pent up frustrations on a long hunt away from the women

its not natural.
and to releave themselves they would have used their hand im sure - like any normal man

 

[glitzyglamgirl]

maybe its natural, maybe its not, my point is though it doesnt matter wether its natural or not - that doesnt make it right or wrong, in the same way that its not natural for us to mate with one partner for life but its still what we strive for. Whats natural doesnt have any bearing on whats acceptable anymore.

 

[kazlin]

I personally do not see anything wrong in homosexuality, one of my best mates is gay and I love him to bits (you know who I'm talking about GGG! )
My OH's mum also now lives with a woman and they are both very happy.

Regarding gay couples, that's exactly what I see, just another couple. I don't actually think too much about the sex side, what they do in private is their own business. To me it's the person that matters.

If one of my future children turns out to be gay I will be as loving and supportive to them as I would a straight son or daughter.

At the end of the day I guess I just want people to be happy in whatever lifestyle they choose.

 

[Minxy]

homosexuality cannot and never shall be natural.

Everyday we hear of 'natural' (meaning straight, your words, never mine) relationships resulting in abuse, violence, cruelty unwanted children etc......

My very best friends have been a couple for 10 years and have the happiest and most supportive relaitonship of anyone I know, they gel very 'naturally' to me.

Suggesting that any primary relationship is just about reproduction is simplistic and base.

And personally, I don't really see it as any of my business to be remotely bothered about what others are doing with their genitals unless it exploits/abuses others.

I'm really disappointed that people are still of this opinion in 2007. The series on Channel4 was meant to show how things have changed. Maybe they haven't at all

 

[beanie]

I couldn't have put that better Minxy, and also agree with Jenna. The one thing that shocked me was that it has only been 40 years since it has been legalised Thank god we are moving forward.

 

[kazlin]

I'm really disappointed that people are still of this opinion in 2007. The series on Channel4 was meant to show how things have changed. Maybe they haven't at all

This really saddens me

 

[Marymary]

Being gay has been going on for as long as time began - ---how can anyone condemn it as being unnatural in the first place.???

Frankly- people fall for who they fall for- its not just about sex and reproduction. Falling in love is the most natural thing in the world.

I would suggest ppl who disagree with homosexuality don't appreciate the value of other people's love, and would rather label them as being 'unnatural'...but it is them who has the label -------> of not understanding.

Who are we to judge anyone's relationship? Get over it

(not meaning to be harsh but this is my opinion)

 

[libs]

I wanted to reply to this yesterday but didn't have a chance.

I did try to ignore it..but then I felt I was being a coward

I've been bisexual as far back as I can remember, I've had relationships with both men and women, I happened to fall in love with a man and marry him and I'm faithful to him, so I no longer date anyone...so I could have got away with you thinking I was heterosexual On here my main focus is TTCing - not my sexuality, but I think I have to defned myself.

I don't feel unnatural sex isn't just about reproduction (for me especially ) Sex is an appetite that humans have which, yes is in part to lead to reproduction, but like other appetites we have also gives us pleasure in other ways. The appetite for food is just to give us enough nutrients and calories to live, but we all choose to feed that appetite in different ways.

Many of the sex acts in an heterosexual relationships have nothing to do with reproduction - particularly one which has had a pretty busy discussion in adult board and which would certainly not be considered a "normal" act (by those who use the term)

This forum is full of people who either want to become or are parents. I only hope that if your child walks through the door to tell you that they are gay or bi one day, your answer is not that they are unnatural becuase you will not change their mind or convert them, only leave them feeling isolated and alone.

 

[glitzyglamgirl]

I personally do not see anything wrong in homosexuality, one of my best mates is gay and I love him to bits (you know who I'm talking about GGG! )
My OH's mum also now lives with a woman and they are both very happy.

Regarding gay couples, that's exactly what I see, just another couple. I don't actually think too much about the sex side, what they do in private is their own business. To me it's the person that matters.

If one of my future children turns out to be gay I will be as loving and supportive to them as I would a straight son or daughter.

At the end of the day I guess I just want people to be happy in whatever lifestyle they choose.

yes, and he is the most naturally gay person I have ever met

Thanks for sharing your views libs, its refreshing to see someone being open about thier sexuality in a thread such as this, and theres absolutely no reason why anyone shouldnt be.

If any of my kids told me they were gay I would be completely accepting of that, its their life and thier choice, and every gay person, male and female, I have ever known has told me its not a choice as such but you are just born that way. That seems like nature to me

I stand by my point though, wether its natural or not makes absolutely no difference to wether its right or wrong.

 

[Foxxi]

Does anyone know if this is on as a repeat...i missed it.. cant find it as a repeat on sky plus...I really wanted to watch it too!!??

 

[budge]

I wanted to reply to this yesterday but didn't have a chance.

I did try to ignore it..but then I felt I was being a coward

I've been bisexual as far back as I can remember, I've had relationships with both men and women, I happened to fall in love with a man and marry him and I'm faithful to him, so I no longer date anyone...so I could have got away with you thinking I was heterosexual On here my main focus is TTCing - not my sexuality, but I think I have to defned myself.

I don't feel unnatural sex isn't just about reproduction (for me especially ) Sex is an appetite that humans have which, yes is in part to lead to reproduction, but like other appetites we have also gives us pleasure in other ways. The appetite for food is just to give us enough nutrients and calories to live, but we all choose to feed that appetite in different ways.

Many of the sex acts in an heterosexual relationships have nothing to do with reproduction - particularly one which has had a pretty busy discussion in adult board and which would certainly not be considered a "normal" act (by those who use the term)

This forum is full of people who either want to become or are parents. I only hope that if your child walks through the door to tell you that they are gay or bi one day, your answer is not that they are unnatural becuase you will not change their mind or convert them, only leave them feeling isolated and alone.

BISEXUALITY IS WOrse than anything. its just greed

 

[libs]

OY YOU

I know

Doubles your chances of a date on a Saturday night

And this is something my gay and straight friends accuse me of