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Phew thank god 
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multiple wives for muslim men will mean multiple benefits
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leckershell
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my true sarcastic self made quote of the day 
on a muslim thread!
I agree with you too Leckershell but what I would say is it isn't always the case that the muslims we are talking about have just 'come over here'. I'm sure there are lots of British muslims who were born here but still following muslim traditions and laws. How this works I don't know. I mean can a muslim be born here under British law but then leave the country and get married to more than one woman under muslim law (or whatever law it is) and then return to the UK and live as they were before but with their wives?
This is the sort of area the muslim girls on the forum always help out with because they obviously know more about it than we do. Its a shame they always seem to be a bit touchy, but then I suppose we are too aren't we
This is the sort of area the muslim girls on the forum always help out with because they obviously know more about it than we do. Its a shame they always seem to be a bit touchy, but then I suppose we are too aren't we
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lou said:
1 rule for 1, 2 rules for another...
literally
I know what you mean about British born muslims, I admit I do tend to have an opinion re: immigration so thats probably how my post came out sounding. There are British born other religions though who I haven't noticed in the media half as much for playing the religion card and demanding things. The others seem to go about their business in the background without impacting others is what I mean, and their religion and different views are sort of, calm... if that makes sense, I can't explain what I mean..!
leckershell said:lou said:
1 rule for 1, 2 rules for another...
literally
I know what you mean about British born muslims, I admit I do tend to have an opinion re: immigration so thats probably how my post came out sounding. There are British born other religions though who I haven't noticed in the media half as much for playing the religion card and demanding things. The others seem to go about their business in the background without impacting others is what I mean, and their religion and different views are sort of, calm... if that makes sense, I can't explain what I mean..!
I know what you mean
I think the emphasis has been on muslims since 9/11 and 7/7 and will be for a long time to come. There is probably an awful lot that goes on with other cultures and religions but it just wouldn't make headlines like a muslim story does I know what you mean about immigration. It pee's everyone off I think. Lets hope the UK doesn't now get an influx of harems to claim asylum and untold benefits they weren't entitled to before this nonsense 
jenna said:
But problems arise when changes are made which are totally in favour of one religion or race or law or whatever it is. British people as a whole have nothing to gain from this change in the law. British Muslims benefit, and to make it worse Brititsh Muslim's who aren't working and contributing towards the country will benefit and who suffers? Every tax payer in the country.
There are two seperate issues here, the first is the additional benefits which I don'tunderstand enough about so do not feel I can comment.The second others have mentioned was the archbishop of canterbury saying some sharia law is unavoidable. Personally I feel that we are a secular country and our laws should reflect that, therefore any religious laws can be followed by individuals if they wish to do so but at the end of the day British law overrules all.
However I do think that the muslim faith gets such a rough time because of a few fundamentalists and a lot of ignorace in the media. Leckershell, alot of the things you mentioned such as the banning of christmas, and the three pigs etc were all the brainwaves of white middleclass people and very few muslims actually were asked for their views. This then gets grossly misrepresented by the media and turned round as if the muslim faith want to irradicate christiainity which is not the case. The muslim faith is always the one pushed forward, whether this is because likepeople have said it is as a result of 9/11 I am not sure but I do think the muslim faith comes in for a rough time from the media, more so then any other religion and unfairly so at times. This then leads to marginalisation and frustration and I can't see what the solution is.
my understanding is that this would not be legally recognised but again I am not 100% sure. Though interestingly their was a programme last night on pologomy, on sky one. Sadly I missed it but did anyone else see it. Does the benefit law apply to all pologomy marriages (not sure if that is the right term), if so why is it only the muslim sides that have been highlighted by the press??
However I do think that the muslim faith gets such a rough time because of a few fundamentalists and a lot of ignorace in the media. Leckershell, alot of the things you mentioned such as the banning of christmas, and the three pigs etc were all the brainwaves of white middleclass people and very few muslims actually were asked for their views. This then gets grossly misrepresented by the media and turned round as if the muslim faith want to irradicate christiainity which is not the case. The muslim faith is always the one pushed forward, whether this is because likepeople have said it is as a result of 9/11 I am not sure but I do think the muslim faith comes in for a rough time from the media, more so then any other religion and unfairly so at times. This then leads to marginalisation and frustration and I can't see what the solution is.
my understanding is that this would not be legally recognised but again I am not 100% sure. Though interestingly their was a programme last night on pologomy, on sky one. Sadly I missed it but did anyone else see it. Does the benefit law apply to all pologomy marriages (not sure if that is the right term), if so why is it only the muslim sides that have been highlighted by the press??
lou said:Dinski said:
I think its because although we aren't racists this topic fuels feelings that to some might be considered racist. Thats why I haven't really commented much other than to say the reason I think this has happened. Obviously I can't and won't speak for everyone
Totally agree here, and that is why i think i will keep my opinions to myself on this one.
sorry ***meant to quote beanie for my comment ***....
Probably because they are no other cultures in British society who are numerous enough for the whole issue of pologomy to be even considered as a way of life accepted to the extent that extra benefits can be awarded to a 'family' living this way.
Probably because they are no other cultures in British society who are numerous enough for the whole issue of pologomy to be even considered as a way of life accepted to the extent that extra benefits can be awarded to a 'family' living this way.
lou said:
have been googling away ad from what I have read it seems that all polygamy marriages are included but it will chiefly benefit the muslim faith (though there are less then 1000 such marriages in Britain and very few of these are claiming benefits, who said mat leave doesn't broaden the mind). I sadly canot find any other stats on other religious groups and polygamy as the news story is just taking over it all.
beanie said:
I wonder how many of these 'marriages' will now appear seeing as now there are more benefits on offer?
Its going to cheese off some tax paying muslims as much as it will pee off non-muslim tax payers surely.? Me...I've no issue with harems but I do have an issue with certain minority groups of people being seemingly 'above the law'. But then saying that if it was me living my life in a minority group I would be over the moon if my lifestyle was noted and taken into account so much so that a law was changed to accomodate me. Oh I don't know, its easy to judge from a 'British' point of view. I seem to think 'our' way of life is the right way but thats ignorance at its worst isn't it ? I'm rambling
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My OH was raised Muslim and although he has come away from Islam, all of his family are living in Britain and practising Islamic faith. His brother went to Pakistan to be married in a Muslim marriage, then was married here also so that the marriage is recognised both under UK law and Muslim. But he only has one wife 
I think the polygamy is a very specialised rule under a very specialised branch of Islam...I'm not sure which I would have to check...but not every Muslim wants or needs more than one spouse.
Saying that, the idea of changing the law to accommodate what really is a minority seems ludicrous. Although perhaps I would be able to marry my fiancee without waiting for my husband to pull his finger out and sign the divorce papers
I dont think we should get too caught up in not wanting to sound racist, there is a huge difference between discussing very real issues that affect us all and being racist.
Theres a part of me that feels we should all be able to live how we like and laws should only be there to protect the innocent, but thats very unrealistic and in times like these, we really need to hold on to our own laws and way of life. There is plenty of room within our society to welcome different cultures and beliefs into our midst, and we have been doing so for generations, becoming more rich in culture and diverse in faiths as a result which is a very positive thing IMO. Opening the doors for our laws to be changed to suit the minorities is totally backwards.....they have a choice where they move to....not just UK they could also go to Europe, USA, plenty of places, and allowing ourselves to compromise our own freedoms, rights and privileges is nonsense!
I am very very scared of what this could lead to, particularly as a woman.
I think the polygamy is a very specialised rule under a very specialised branch of Islam...I'm not sure which I would have to check...but not every Muslim wants or needs more than one spouse.
Saying that, the idea of changing the law to accommodate what really is a minority seems ludicrous. Although perhaps I would be able to marry my fiancee without waiting for my husband to pull his finger out and sign the divorce papers
I dont think we should get too caught up in not wanting to sound racist, there is a huge difference between discussing very real issues that affect us all and being racist.
Theres a part of me that feels we should all be able to live how we like and laws should only be there to protect the innocent, but thats very unrealistic and in times like these, we really need to hold on to our own laws and way of life. There is plenty of room within our society to welcome different cultures and beliefs into our midst, and we have been doing so for generations, becoming more rich in culture and diverse in faiths as a result which is a very positive thing IMO. Opening the doors for our laws to be changed to suit the minorities is totally backwards.....they have a choice where they move to....not just UK they could also go to Europe, USA, plenty of places, and allowing ourselves to compromise our own freedoms, rights and privileges is nonsense!
I am very very scared of what this could lead to, particularly as a woman.
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Of polygamy becoming "ok" mainly, it is degrading!
i am muslim, however im afraid i wont be much use as i have been atheist for 17 years and muslim for 1 year so i am still learning about the religion myself. i do know though that it is a very small minority that enter into these " marriages" i for one dont agree with them, mainly because the man is allowed 4 wives and women are only allowed 1 husband! lol About the benefit thing i dont really understand it but if its that they get more money for being in one of these marriages then thats out of order, IMO if the marriage is not recognised under UK law then they shouldnt receive any extra benefits for it.
i agree with lekershell really however i do think that it is more the government coming up with these ideas not really the muslim community? i could be wrong though its just i have never met any muslim who is against christmas or anything, lots of OH's family and friends even send christmas cards to neighbours and things and me and OH celebrate christmas with my family.
Anyway sorry for the waffle! x x x
