21 day blood test results

Cersei

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So it was CD22 yesterday and had another blood test and seen my gp this morning to discuss the results. First test on cd4 included lots of stuff like vitamins full blood count hormones and whatnot, and it showed that I have an underactive thyroid. I had so many symptoms of hypothyroidism (if not all) for a long time now it explains everything, I should've had it checked much earlier but was slacking as usual. So they put me on levothyroxine 50mcg (not even the lowest dose as my levels were quite off the chart).
He also said my progesterone level was lower than it should be and I'm possibly not ovulating, now just waiting for hubby's sperm test then he's going to refer us to the fertility clinic. I looked at his screen and I saw "13" there, thought anything above 10 is good, or am I wrong?
 
Hi. It depends by which method they measure. In England from my understanding the measurement they use needs to be above 30 to indicate ovulation. That's what it said on my print out when I got my results. Good luck with the SA results too x
 
If it was cycle day 21 bloods progesterone should be above 30 to show ovulation Hun, but it depends on lab and what measurement they are using also If you don't ovulate until later in your cycle then progesterone might not be high yet. I would ask your gp for the result. They may retest you as it's common to not ovulate for a cycle and it be totally ok the following month.

How long have you been trying? Hopeful the levothyroxine should make the difference for you.

Best of luck xx
 
Thanks for the replies ladies, the test was done on the 22nd day of my cycle and apparently I didn't ovulate. On the print out it says it should be minimum 25, but I just got this "anything over 10" idea from google but as you both said it depends on the measurement which I didn't know. But I was expecting a problem anyways because we haven't used any protection in the last 3 years and actively trying for over 2 years with no luck, there must be something wrong.. I'm 30 and hubby is 26 by the way. His SA is next week. Never knew it'd be this hard to conceive :(
 
I think the anything over 10 might be by the measurements they use in America (and I am sure other countries) as I am sure I have seen it on American sites when searching myself.
Its so hard when we have all these obstacles but knowledge is power and if they have discovered you aren't ovulating then they can address that. I hope it all moves quickly for you and that you get that BFP soon xx
 
Hi Cersi, I discovered I had an underactive thyroid when I was in my early 20's, I take Eltroxin daily to treat the condition, I'm now 42 and have being TTC for the first time since July 2012 - but I have had two missed miscarriages at 10 and 11 weeks. I am under a Endocrinologist who specialises in this field and it's only over the last 2 years that I have realised the full impact Thyroid issues can have on TTC and maintaining the pregnancy. However once you know and it is treated you should be able to have a healty baby :-) . I wanted to share the article below as it details the main things to get checked etc My GP did not understand the complexities of an underactive thyroid and it was only when I saw the Endocrinologist that I got the information I needed.

If you ovulate late, have irregular periods, no periods or even heavy periods, feel very cold, or have thinning hair you may have an undiagnosed Underactive Thyroid, putting on weight, though you may have no symptoms but still have an issue.To conceive my consultant would recommend that your TSH is around 1 - even though the upper range from the lab can say your ok if your TSH is less than 4.5. It is also important to get tested for Thyroid Antibodies.*During the first trimester TSH should be kept between 1 and 2.5, normally the eltroxin dosage is increased when you find out you are pregnant and tested every 4 to 6 weeks.I hope this helps and isn't information overload.

"Is poor thyroid function impacting your fertility"*By Christine Sullivan on*www.pregnancy.com.au

If you have been unsuccessfully trying to get pregnant for more than 6 months, before you embark on invasive medical procedures and spend thousands of dollars for assisted reproductive technology, ensure that your thyroid is functioning at its optimum.Many women don't realize that good thyroid function is necessary for fertility, the ability to conceive and to maintain a pregnancy. An under (or over) functioning thyroid can prevent you from achieving that much desired pregnancy. While there are many and varied reasons for infertility, suboptimal thyroid function may be that "missing link" especially for those with no specific reproductive problems.A full thyroid evaluation is essential, and should be done as soon as possible for any woman who wants to get pregnant, especially if she:
Has been trying unsuccessfully to get pregnant for more than 6 months
Has had two or more miscarriagesHas an irregular menstrual cycle
Has any family history of thyroid problems.
What Does the Thyroid Gland Do?*The thyroid gland is located near the front of the throat, just below the voice box & just above the collar bones. Every cell in the body depends upon thyroid hormones for regulation of the body's metabolism, blood calcium levels, energy production, fat metabolism, oxygen utilization, balance of other hormones & weight maintenance.Hormones involved with thyroid function include Thyroid Releasing Hormone (TRH) released from the hypothalamus in the brain, which stimulates the pituitary gland at the base of the brain to release Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) which in turn stimulates the thyroid gland to produce Thyroxine (T4) & Triiodothyronine (T3). Much of T4 is converted to T3 (the active form) in the liver. Thyroid hormones are synthesized from iodine and the amino acid Tyrosine (from protein), and the conversion to the active form is reliant on the trace mineral Selenium.
Healthy Thyroid function can be affected by:
Exposure to environmental toxins – electromagnetic radiation, chemicals, pesticides, heavy metals e.g. mercury & fluorideGenetic susceptibility
High levels of stress
Nutrient deficiencies
Autoimmune disorders
Infections
Other hormone imbalances e.g. oestrogen dominance, high prolactin levels
How Does Hypothyroidism (Low) affect fertility?*Anovulatory cycles*– not releasing an egg / ovulating. This makes pregnancy impossible.Luteal Phase Problems*– With a short second half of the menstrual cycle a fertilized egg can't implant securely and ends up leaving the body at the same time that menstruation would occur (very early miscarriage) & is often mistaken as a regular period.High Prolactin Levels*– due to elevated levels of Thyroid Releasing Hormone (TRH) and low levels of Thyroxine (T4) resulting in irregular ovulation or no ovulation.Other Hormonal Imbalances*– reduced sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), oestrogen dominance, progesterone deficiency, all of which interfere with proper reproductive hormone balance.Your check list for thyroid assessment*1. Do you have any of the common signs & symptoms associated with low thyroid function?Inability to conceive / infertilityMiscarriageMenstrual irregularitiesPeriod painLow libidoLethargy & fatigueSusceptibility to the cold / cold hands & feetInability to lose weightChanges in texture of skin, nails, hair, hair lossRecurrent infectionsConstipation2. Is your*basal temperature*consistently below 36.5° C? Take your oral temperature at rest first thing in the morning before moving out of bed for 7 -10 days in the first 14 days of your cycle. Your temperature should be between 36° and 37° C but ideally above 36.5°C.3.*Blood Tests*- For full thyroid assessment you require readings for TSH, T4, T3, rT3 & Thyroid Antibodies. TRH may also be required. For optimum fertility, your TSH level should be between 1 and 2. Your doctor or naturopath can order these tests for you.4.*Urinary Iodine*- Iodine is a key component of thyroid hormone. Excessive iodine as well as a deficiency of iodine can result in low thyroid function. Your doctor or naturopath can order this test for you.5.*Diet & Lifestyle*- Our modern western diet is a major contributor to increasing thyroid health problems. Foods detrimental to thyroid health include refined grains, simple sugars, soy products, peanuts & peanut products, caffeine, hydrogenated oils, cigarette smoking and alcohol. Excessive consumption of vegetables such as cabbage, broccoli, turnips, Brussels sprouts have the ability to block the absorption of iodine.Exposure to heavy metals e.g. mercury (amalgam fillings) and fluoride (water supply, toothpaste) may also be detrimental.Stress management is imperative. Stress results in elevated levels of cortisol, the main hormone released by the adrenal glands. Increased cortisol will inhibit the conversion of T4 to the active T3 hormone.Exercise is beneficial as it will stimulate thyroid hormone secretion and increases tissue sensitivity to thyroid hormones.Treating thyroid function is not a magic cure for all fertility issues but I have found that for many women, once thyroid health has been improved, their fertility issues were resolved and they have gone on to have a healthy pregnancy and enjoyed the treasures of motherhood.If you suspect that less than ideal thyroid health may be contributing to your fertility difficulties or just impinging on your health generally, take action now!
 
Thank you so much for sharing this Clementine. My TSH is 22 at the moment. I've had most of the hypothyroidism symptoms for quite a while already, shame it couldn't be spotted earlier. But I'm so happy that now we know what the problem is and that its effects are reversible. Do you know roughly how long it takes for the TSH level to go down to a normal range after the treatment starts? As I'm on a low dose (will be checked in 3 months), would it still help?
 
Hi Cersi, with a TSH of 22 I would definitely ask to get referred to an Endocrinologist who specialises in Thyroid issues. Normally when my thyroid goes underactive my Endocrinologist changes my meds and then tests again 6 weeks later. It can take 3 to 6 months to get the dose right, they start you of low as they do not want to make you over active.

Did they test your Free T4? This the amount of eltroxin in your blood.

I would also ask them to test if you are Antibody Positive - this means that for some reason your body has attacked your thyroid. I am anti-body positive so I will always take eltroxin. I take Day 1 : 125, Day 2 : 100, Day 3 : 100 and then repeat.

Also ask them to check your B12 as if you have an untreated underactive thyroid it can stop adsorption of B12 so you need to get B12 injections so it goes directly into your blood.

Hope you get sorted soon, x
 
Hi Clementine,
Free T4 is 8.3 (normal range 9-19), B12 is in the normal range (328 ng/L)
Is it alright to ask for a referral then to see an Endocrinologist if the gp didn't think it was needed in the first place? I'll see him next week anyways when we go there for hubby's SA so I'll definitely mention this. Starting to worry a bit now :(
 
Hi Cersi, please don't worry, it's totally treatable it's just that the Endocrinologist specialises in this field. Your B12 is on the low end of the range. I have moved location a number of times and I always found that the GPs didn't know enough about Underactive Thyroid and the effect it has on your body, mood, fertility and pregnancy. I don't want you to worry, it's just better to get the right care as soon as possible. Over here they would have an Endocrinologist that works along side the maternity consultants. I don't know the advice your GP has given you regarding TTC, my TSH went to 7.9 at Christmas and my Endocrinologist recommended we didn't TTC until my TSH was below 2, Thyroxine / Eltroxin crosses the placenta so it is needed for the baby. (Unfortunately high TSH can increase likelihood of MC) I'm 42 so I'm a good bit older than you but it only took 8 weeks for my bloods to correct when he increased my daily Eltroxin so he has said we could try this month. Sometimes an underactive thyroid gives heavy periods but in my case if my TSH was over 3.5 for a few months my periods stopped altogether. If you have any other questions just message me but don't worry as it is one thing that can be sorted x
 
Thank you so so much for the info Clem you've been really helpful. I will surely ask for a referral asap as I don't want to waste anymore time, been waiting for so long already... About B12, I was a vegetarian for years and been vegan for a few months so I knew I'd need the injections at some point. My periods have always been normal and regular but I was just never getting a positive opk, sometimes quite dark but never a positive. Still, I had all the ov pains and everything, around CD 14-15 so I believed everything was normal. Oh well, hopefully these will all be sorted in a few months and I might even lose a bit more weight in the meanwhile which would be nice :-) x
 
Hello, I found out I was hypothyroid last July and have also been taking levothyroxine in different doses of 50mcg, 75mcg and now I'm on 125mcg. My first TSH was 8.2 and it's now around 1. We have been ttc for 2 1/2 years now, all tests clear. I'm hoping that once my levels stablise I'll manage to conceive naturally. I noticed a huge difference in my whole body since taking the meds and I'm sure you will too.

I wonder whether I too should insist on being referred to an endocrinologist before venturing down the IUI/IVF route.

One thing I've noticed though is that the medication takes about 4 weeks to kick in properly with me so you have to persevere whilst they try to get your levels right for you.

Xxx
 
Hey Cariad Bach thank you for your reply :) I hope I will see some good changes too, I'm very impatient actually. I have a few questions for you if you don't mind me asking. Do you remember when your first control was after you were prescribed levothyroxine 50mcg? For how long did you have to take 50mcg and how was your TSH level when they put you on 75mcg, I mean did the starter dose work at all? You see, my TSH is so high I'm a bit panicky at the moment. 50mcg is probably quite a low dose for me I just don't know if it would still help. I definitely need to be referred asap. I hope it won't take too long for my TSH to settle I just want to be able to TTC again, and hopefully conceive a very much wanted baby #1 :( x
 
Hi Cersei,

I completely understand how your feeling as it's exactly what I've been and are still going through. I've chatting in other posts on this site so you can have a look. This is one post I added:

Just checked my lab work and I have been tested for serum T4 with ranges of:

Before being diagnosed when having normal ttc bloods:
July 2010 - TSH 2.17 / Free T4 15.2
July 2012 - TSH 2.7 / Free T4 14.2

Upon diagnosis:
July 2013 - TSH 8.2 / Serum T4 12.7 (started on 50mcg)
Sept 2013 - TSH 2.43 / Serum T4 16.5 (dose increased to 75mcg)
Nov 2013 - TSH 0.16 / Serum T4 19.8 (dose decreased to 50mcg as dr suspected over medicated - symptoms of racing pulse / thyrotoxic).
Dec 2013 - TSH 0.16 / Serum T4 22.4 (had to force GP to increase dose back to 75mcg, felt terrible and going hypo. After taking this for few days started to feel great).
Jan 2014 - TSH 5.49 / Serum Free T4 16.4 (Felt complete hypo coming on, so dose increased to current 125mcg but taking 100mcg until used to dose). Felt really good since December's bloods and thought levels had stabilised, until this hypo attack.

Don't know what's going on. Any thoughts on my levels ladies?

I've been tested for B12 and that is ok.


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I'm now still on 125mcg and feel alot better, but it does take time for my body to adjust to any change in medication which I find the most frustrating as by the time I start to feel unwell, then manage to book a blood test, then get to see the doctor, then to start any changes to medication which doesn't make me feel better for about 4 weeks I've began to notice now. This I find very frustrating and upsetting. But now I have been on this higher dose for about 2 months and I think hopefully they have found the right level for me. My latest TSH has been 0.85 & 0.62 and I'm feeling pretty good. I also felt good when it came down to 0.16 on 75mcg around November / December time.

I think they have to start you off on a low dose as as your body starts to receive the artifical thyroxine your own faulty thyroid starts to stop producing as it recognises that you have enough. I think this confuses the thyroid and now and again it can start producing and go up and down a little until it packs in basically. Once your body adjusts to a dose which is best for you you will be fine, it just takes a little while for it to take effect which I know is frustrating. I would ask your GP to retest you after every 6 weeks. I now have mine checkec once a month when I go for my day 21 bloods. I don't want to frighten you in anyway but please be persitent with your GP if you feel unwell as sometimes I get the impression that because it's not life threatening it's not that important - but it certainly is when you feel unwell!

I asked about being referred to an endocrinologist but my GP and Gynae Consultant dismissed that idea and said it can be managed by the GP. I noticed a difference within a week of taking the inital dose, my skin, hair, nails, tone of skin and generally feeling a bit better. Please feel free to ask me anything! xxx
 
Wow thank you so much for your reply, I'm really looking forward to start feeling better. I will ask for referral next time I see him and see how it goes, even if he doesn't refer me I would surely ask him to retest every 6 weeks (3 months is just too long!) I wonder how long it'd take for mine to drop as it's really high atm. But maybe they could do the other tests while waiting till we can TTC again, like lap&dye...? I really don't know the procedure as I just had my very first day21 bloods test done, and the doctor didn't mention anything else but the hubby's SA. xxxx
 

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