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As the title says...
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when are you viable?!?!
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A "viable" pregnancy is a pregnancy that is progressing normally and that will most likely result in a healthy infant.
I'm not sure if this is the answer you were looking for..
I guess it's all down to how things go.
If you have your baby early but there are no problems and the baby is healthy, then it's viable.
If you have no major complications with your pregnancy then I guess it's viable.
Lol... I hope this helps..?
I'm not sure if this is the answer you were looking for..
I guess it's all down to how things go.
If you have your baby early but there are no problems and the baby is healthy, then it's viable.
If you have no major complications with your pregnancy then I guess it's viable.
Lol... I hope this helps..?
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id seen some people posting at about 24 weeks saying they were viable and wasnt too sure what it meant as i thought the same as what you'd just posted!
hhmmmm.... just hoping to achieve another landmark i guess hahaha
thanks xxxx
hhmmmm.... just hoping to achieve another landmark i guess hahaha
thanks xxxx
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Oh.. maybe it means.. that there's no complications.. no miscarriages.. and if anything were to happen and baby arrived early.. then it's still viable because from 24 weeks+ baby can actually survive out of Mummys womb in intensive care. I've never heard of being viable but maybe thats what it means.
So if you have any complications before you are viable you are more likely to lose baby.. where as.. after a certain time in pregnancy, 24/25 weeks or so, anything happens then if baby reacts well to right treatment in hospital, everything might be ok. I've heard about babies being born at 24 weeks or so, being in intensive care for months, and pulling through, growing up to be normal and healthy.
So if you have any complications before you are viable you are more likely to lose baby.. where as.. after a certain time in pregnancy, 24/25 weeks or so, anything happens then if baby reacts well to right treatment in hospital, everything might be ok. I've heard about babies being born at 24 weeks or so, being in intensive care for months, and pulling through, growing up to be normal and healthy.
It's 24 weeks.
Basically, a baby born after 24 works has a 'reasonable' chance of surviving than not, given appropriate intensive care. A baby born before 24 weeks is unlikely to survive, despite the best care available. Doctors tend to use 24 weeks as a cut-off mark for medical intervention. A baby born before 24 weeks who does not survive will be termed a miscarriage, a baby born sleeping after 24 weeks is a stillbirth, and a baby born alive after 24 weeks, even if it subsequently fails to survive, will at least have its birth registered. It can be a pretty cruel system.
Obviously (other than the registration of births) it's not black and white - depending on the circumstances of the birth, an experienced medical team might decide they can do something for a baby born at 23 weeks, whilst another team dealing with a traumatic birth and oxygen deprivation may feel that there's little that can be done for a 25-week old foetus. If the medical team knows it's likely the baby will be premature, they will give it steroids to help the lungs, drastically improving the survival odds - but if it happens with no warning, e.g. placental abruption/incompetent cervix, the baby is likely to arrive before the mother even knows what's happening and can let the hospital know. So many factors come into play - girls are more likely to survive than boys (no idea why), singletons more than multiples, and babies with higher birth weight for age than lower, as well as the facilities available and the experience of the medical team.
The youngest premature baby to survive was born at 21+6 weeks - a miracle. A friend's baby was born at 23+ and is now a healthy little boy with no apparent problems; a colleague's baby was born before 24 weeks when its mother contracted an illness and the medical team said the baby had a 15-20% chance of survival if they did a c-section immediately, and 0% if they didn't. The baby is now at school... Both of these are obviously exceptions to the rule, but give hope.
As you can see from the chart below - every week makes a difference.
Odds of a Premature Baby's Survival by Length of Pregnancy
Length of Pregnancy Likelihood of Survival
23 weeks 17%
24 weeks 39%
25 weeks 50%
26 weeks 80%
27 weeks 90%
28-31 weeks 90-95%
32-33 weeks 95%
34+ weeks Almost as likely as a full-term baby
FYI - this is why the legal limit for abortions is still 24 weeks. Doctors have argued that currently, the advances in medical technology have not moved the viability threshold any earlier, and that before 24 weeks, the foetus is not viable. However, as you can see from the chart above, this is pretty contentious. A lot of people would argue that a 1 in 5 chance of viability is reason enough not to terminate. But most late terminations are done for medical reasons following the 20w scan, and involve foetuses that would not survive more than a week maximum beyond birth, even with care.
Basically, a baby born after 24 works has a 'reasonable' chance of surviving than not, given appropriate intensive care. A baby born before 24 weeks is unlikely to survive, despite the best care available. Doctors tend to use 24 weeks as a cut-off mark for medical intervention. A baby born before 24 weeks who does not survive will be termed a miscarriage, a baby born sleeping after 24 weeks is a stillbirth, and a baby born alive after 24 weeks, even if it subsequently fails to survive, will at least have its birth registered. It can be a pretty cruel system.
Obviously (other than the registration of births) it's not black and white - depending on the circumstances of the birth, an experienced medical team might decide they can do something for a baby born at 23 weeks, whilst another team dealing with a traumatic birth and oxygen deprivation may feel that there's little that can be done for a 25-week old foetus. If the medical team knows it's likely the baby will be premature, they will give it steroids to help the lungs, drastically improving the survival odds - but if it happens with no warning, e.g. placental abruption/incompetent cervix, the baby is likely to arrive before the mother even knows what's happening and can let the hospital know. So many factors come into play - girls are more likely to survive than boys (no idea why), singletons more than multiples, and babies with higher birth weight for age than lower, as well as the facilities available and the experience of the medical team.
The youngest premature baby to survive was born at 21+6 weeks - a miracle. A friend's baby was born at 23+ and is now a healthy little boy with no apparent problems; a colleague's baby was born before 24 weeks when its mother contracted an illness and the medical team said the baby had a 15-20% chance of survival if they did a c-section immediately, and 0% if they didn't. The baby is now at school... Both of these are obviously exceptions to the rule, but give hope.
As you can see from the chart below - every week makes a difference.
Odds of a Premature Baby's Survival by Length of Pregnancy
Length of Pregnancy Likelihood of Survival
23 weeks 17%
24 weeks 39%
25 weeks 50%
26 weeks 80%
27 weeks 90%
28-31 weeks 90-95%
32-33 weeks 95%
34+ weeks Almost as likely as a full-term baby
FYI - this is why the legal limit for abortions is still 24 weeks. Doctors have argued that currently, the advances in medical technology have not moved the viability threshold any earlier, and that before 24 weeks, the foetus is not viable. However, as you can see from the chart above, this is pretty contentious. A lot of people would argue that a 1 in 5 chance of viability is reason enough not to terminate. But most late terminations are done for medical reasons following the 20w scan, and involve foetuses that would not survive more than a week maximum beyond birth, even with care.
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Look at this little baby girl born at 22 weeks and survived!
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oh wow what a picture,amazing that she survived!
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Yeah shes a little miracle! Look at her now 
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... image&cd=1 - 1 Year old
http://growingyourbaby.com/2008/10/25/a ... r-turns-2/ - 2 Years old
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... image&cd=1 - 1 Year old
http://growingyourbaby.com/2008/10/25/a ... r-turns-2/ - 2 Years old
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It raises the whole debate if babies can survive at such an age why is the termination law so frivelous! (sp)
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... B%26sa%3DN
Baby survived when born at 23 weeks.
Shockingly I saw that the abortion laws were lowered from 28 weeks to 24 weeks only in 1990
28 WEEKS!!! shocking.
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http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... B%26sa%3DN
Baby survived when born at 23 weeks.
Shockingly I saw that the abortion laws were lowered from 28 weeks to 24 weeks only in 1990
28 WEEKS!!! shocking.
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21 weeks, that is amasing 
and she in thriving absolutely wonderful.
The abortion law is despicable, there is a place for abortion but allowing abortion of a healthy baby at 24 weeks to me is outrageous. I thought it was 20 weeks though?
and she in thriving absolutely wonderful. The abortion law is despicable, there is a place for abortion but allowing abortion of a healthy baby at 24 weeks to me is outrageous. I thought it was 20 weeks though?
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no apparently its 24 weeks... altho somethin about not many places willing to do it as it involves injecting the baby to make its heart stop before delivery.
I never really understood the laws or the arguments against etc.
However, i look at my belly, my scan pics, i feel jackabella moving and having hiccups and wonder how....
One of them things... i suppose people have their reasons to which i cant judge but 24 weeks...at this stage. just.... fhewiofjhroeivif
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I never really understood the laws or the arguments against etc.
However, i look at my belly, my scan pics, i feel jackabella moving and having hiccups and wonder how....
One of them things... i suppose people have their reasons to which i cant judge but 24 weeks...at this stage. just.... fhewiofjhroeivif
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Just spoke to my Oh about it and he came up with a good point which I didn't think about. What about someone who had been raped 
never thought of that. It' s mind field and yes it's something that shouldn't be judged although very difficult not too.
What does fhewiofjhroeivif mean?
never thought of that. It' s mind field and yes it's something that shouldn't be judged although very difficult not too.What does fhewiofjhroeivif mean?
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thats what am saying... cant judge. each to their own but i still have my opinions innit.
just think that itd be very hard not to know you were pregnant at 24 weeks, spose anythin is possible. But if u were in that situation charlotte as you mentioned... you'd surely sort it all out before it came that you were this far gone. but who are we to pass judgement of somethin we dont know about eh
that was me rambling at the 24 week law haha xx
just think that itd be very hard not to know you were pregnant at 24 weeks, spose anythin is possible. But if u were in that situation charlotte as you mentioned... you'd surely sort it all out before it came that you were this far gone. but who are we to pass judgement of somethin we dont know about eh
that was me rambling at the 24 week law haha xx
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Exactly! I'm gonna leave it there, way too many people to upset through my lack of knowledge/experience in these matters x
As I posted earlier... the main argument in favour of keeping the 24w limit is because 99% of terminations after 20 weeks are for medical reasons, not elective terminations.
If you have your anomaly scan at, say, 21 weeks, and it shows a baby with a fatal condition, who will not survive more than a week beyond birth and whose physical problems will cause severe pain both before and after birth, you may feel that the best thing you can do is allow the baby to go peacefully and with the minimum pain. Another scenario is the discovery that the foetus is causing problems for the mother which will prove fatal for her. What do you do if you are a mother of two children and you are told that the baby you are carrying is killing you? Do you go ahead anyway, leaving your two existing children without a mother, and a premature baby that may or may not survive, or do you take the hard decision to terminate?
Fortunately I've never had to make such difficult decisions, but there are women who are in that position. By making abortion illegal after 20 weeks, you take away any choice of these women to limit the pain and suffering of their babies, or even to save their own lives.
Apparently, most doctors will refuse to abort a healthy foetus after 20 weeks anyway, unless the mother's life is in danger - and the law on abortion does say that there must be a good medical reason. A lot of doctors feel that in the early stages, the mother's emotional wellbeing is a good medical reason, but by 20 weeks, the woman is more likely to suffer psychological after-effects anyway, so the emotional state is not usually a good medical reason.
It used to be that quite a few late abortions were Down's babies, but that is much less the case now - partly because fewer people with Down's babies choose to terminate, and partly because those who would, accept earlier testing (e.g. CVS/amnio) and thus find out before 20 weeks.
Personally, I think the law should be tightened - I used to think that it should be limited to 20 weeks, but after knowing people who've had awful news at their 20w scan, I don't feel that an abortion between 20 and 24 weeks is something that is performed for frivolous reasons, and that the option does need to be there. However, I think that the law should state that abortion cannot take place after 20 weeks (I'd say earlier still!!!) unless the medical reasons are serious and life-threatening. It shouldn't be an 'oops! I left it a bit late!' option - though it seems very few women treat it as such anyway.
If you have your anomaly scan at, say, 21 weeks, and it shows a baby with a fatal condition, who will not survive more than a week beyond birth and whose physical problems will cause severe pain both before and after birth, you may feel that the best thing you can do is allow the baby to go peacefully and with the minimum pain. Another scenario is the discovery that the foetus is causing problems for the mother which will prove fatal for her. What do you do if you are a mother of two children and you are told that the baby you are carrying is killing you? Do you go ahead anyway, leaving your two existing children without a mother, and a premature baby that may or may not survive, or do you take the hard decision to terminate?
Fortunately I've never had to make such difficult decisions, but there are women who are in that position. By making abortion illegal after 20 weeks, you take away any choice of these women to limit the pain and suffering of their babies, or even to save their own lives.
Apparently, most doctors will refuse to abort a healthy foetus after 20 weeks anyway, unless the mother's life is in danger - and the law on abortion does say that there must be a good medical reason. A lot of doctors feel that in the early stages, the mother's emotional wellbeing is a good medical reason, but by 20 weeks, the woman is more likely to suffer psychological after-effects anyway, so the emotional state is not usually a good medical reason.
It used to be that quite a few late abortions were Down's babies, but that is much less the case now - partly because fewer people with Down's babies choose to terminate, and partly because those who would, accept earlier testing (e.g. CVS/amnio) and thus find out before 20 weeks.
Personally, I think the law should be tightened - I used to think that it should be limited to 20 weeks, but after knowing people who've had awful news at their 20w scan, I don't feel that an abortion between 20 and 24 weeks is something that is performed for frivolous reasons, and that the option does need to be there. However, I think that the law should state that abortion cannot take place after 20 weeks (I'd say earlier still!!!) unless the medical reasons are serious and life-threatening. It shouldn't be an 'oops! I left it a bit late!' option - though it seems very few women treat it as such anyway.
