Have to have repeat scan - worried

Tracey S

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I have been for my anatomy scan today and the sonographer said that she couldnt see into the baby's stomach. I have to go back next thursday for another scan.

They said it could be because there was no fluid in the baby's stomach and that when the scan is re done it will probably be ok. They said that its possible that the pipe isnt joined to the baby's stomach and it may require surgery when the baby is born.

Has anyone else experienced this? They sent me away with the usual dont worry lets wait and see etc, but how can you not worry.

Everything else looks normal and the baby is growing and is active and its a little girl

Tracey xx
 
Aww hunny, try not no worry, but I know it's easier said than done :)

You won't know anything definite until your next scan and I sincerely hope that everything is as it should be. I'm sure it will :hug: :hug: :hug:
 
We didn't have the same experience but something similar. We were told that the bowel didn't look right and that it could be nothing or could be a sign of several serious complciations. We had to go away and wait for 3 weeks before they rescanned. Fortunately the bowel looked fine and everything was ok. It was a horrible wait but at least if there is something wrong, they will detect it early and plan what to do when your baby is born.

Sorry this isn't much help to your problem but try not to worry. Fingers crossed for you and your baby

Also - the doctor told us that scans are so advanced now that they pick up lots of things that they couldn't just a few years ago. She said that lots of things show up that could be problems but usually aren't - so try not to worry

sending you lots of good wishes
 
Not the same but Wed just gone, the doc couldn't examine the babies kidney's or cord vessels, due to my angel not staying still.

Good hint;

If it was a bad thing or dangerous, you wouldn't be at home on the t'net, you'd be hauled up in a hospital bed.

Don't worry but good luck for your next scan, I go back in this Monday
 
I had my repeat ultrasound yesterday, they still couldnt see into the babys stomach, and they are talking about an oesophagal atresia (hope i spelt it correctly) They also saw 2 choriod cysts in her head so they cant rule out chromosomal abnormalities.

I have had an amniocentesis today and should get the first set of results on Monday or Tuesday. I have also been referred to Saint Marys in Manchester where they can perform more detailed scans so we can get a definate diagnosis as to whats wrong with our little girl.

When she is born she will have to have an operation to hopefully correct the atresia, but they are hopefull that they can treat her sucessfully.

I just feel like I am being punished, I have been through 2 early miscarriages, and to get this far to be told that there is something seriously wrong with your baby is so cruel. All we can do is keep our fingers crossed.

Tracey
 
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you poor thing. I'll keep everything crossed for your LO and for you.....

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Babe I am so sorry to hear this. I hope everything works out for you. I know its hard but try not to worry :hug: x x x x
 
Sorry to hear this babes. :hug:
 
I was just going to post up a new topic asking if anyone else was worried about their anomoly scan when I saw your post.

I have mine on 25th July.

Did you have a twelve week scan?

I really hope all goes well for you. I can't imagine the worry and torture you are going through.

Good luck with everything.

Vic xxx
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ah hun i am sorry to hear this. Hope things go ok and its not too serious :hug: :hug: :hug:
 
Tracey,

I'm so sorry that you're going through this awful experience and having such terrible worry at what should be a lovely, happy time of your pregnancy. I also realise that no matter what we say on here, or how many people tell you not to worry, that of course you're going to be very anxious until you get your results. I don't know if you're the same as me, but when I worry, I want to know some facts. I even want the "worst case scenario" to know what I'm (or might be) dealing with. On this note, I've done a bit of research for you, based on your last post.

Here's what has been said about the 'choroid cysts' you mention:

'The choroid plexus is the tissue within the brain, which produces the cerebrospinal fluid. This fluid fills the normal spaces in the brain (ventricles) and flows around the outside of the brain and spinal cord. Small fluid-filled spaces, called cysts, are seen during obstetrical ultrasound examinations in the choroid plexus in up to 2% of normal pregnancies.

These cysts disappear spontaneously during pregnancy and are, in themselves, of no concern before or after birth. There is no need to re-scan during pregnancy. Children with choroid plexus cysts are developmentally normal and indistinguishable from those in whom no cysts were seen on ultrasound examination during pregnancy.

In a few patients reported in medical journals, a fetus with choroid plexus cysts was found to have a chromosomal abnormality, Trisomy 18.' THIS IS THE "CHROMOSOMAL ABNORMALITIES" THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT.

'In Trisomy 18, the fetus has an extra chromosome number 18 with a total of 47 chromosomes, instead of the normal 46. The great majority of babies with this condition have other physical abnormalities, often affecting the limbs (especially a clenched fist or club foot), heart, brain, and/or face.

When these defects are found in addition to choroid plexus cysts, there is a strong concern about Trisomy 18, and the mother would be recommended to have an Amniocentesis to determine if the fetus has this condition.' NEITHER OF YOUR SCANS SO FAR SHOWED THESE ADDITIONAL ABNORMALITIES?

Other research states:

'Choroid plexus cysts have attracted a great deal of attention because of an association with chromosomal abnormalities, particularly Trisomy 18, and the need for aggressive antenatal diagnosis (i.e. amniocentesis). Choroid plexus cysts are seen in approximately 2-3% of normal fetuses during the second trimester compared with 30% of fetuses with Trisomy 18. However, Trisomy 18 is relatively rare, and most affected fetuses have multiple dysmorphic anomalies that can be detected by sonography.'


There is considerable controversy in the medical journals about how great a risk of Trisomy 18 or other chromosomal abnormalities there is for a fetus with choroid plexus cysts. This is especially for the fetus that appears otherwise normal by ultrasound and has no other risk factors; such as mother's age, a family history of chromosome problems or an abnormal screening blood test called (Maternal Serum Screen). The size, number and eventual disappearance of these cysts did not alter the risk. '

'Esophageal atresia

The birth prevalence of esophageal atresia is about 1 in 3,000. In 90% of cases there is an associated tracheoesophageal fistula. The condition is sporadic. Chromosomal defects are found in 3-4% of affected neonates. Prenatally, chromosomal defects, mainly trisomy 18, are found in about 20% of cases. '

Here's what the Trisomy18 organisation have to say about diagnosing trisomy18 (also known as Edwards syndrome):

'A Level 2 Ultrasound, also called a targeted ultrasound, is conducted specifically to look for particular markers based upon what was found in the initial ultrasound or triple screen. Perhaps the initial ultrasound found a choroid plexus cyst or the baby is small for gestational age. Or perhaps a triple screen result indicated higher than normal odds for a chromosomal condition. In those cases, a level 2 ultrasound is often recommended. This is another screening test that does not diagnose Trisomy 18 but gives more information about the odds of its presence.

A perinatologist, fetal medicine specialist, or someone else who specializes in high-risk pregnancies and who is trained to look for the markers of chromosomal disorders typically conducts level 2 ultrasounds. These markers are soft markers and structural markers. Soft markers are characteristics frequently seen on babies with the disorder, and structural markers are abnormalities in organ and bone formation.

Some of these markers for Trisomy 18 are as follows:

clenched hands, choroid plexus cysts, rocker bottom feet, delayed growth, heart defects such as VSD, ASD, and coarctation, kidney abnormalities, omphalocele, esophageal atresia, and polyhydramnios (excess amniotic fluid)

What if they only find one marker?

Studies have shown that most (but not all) babies with Trisomy 18 show some abnormalities during ultrasound (ref 1,2). Other studies have shown that a single marker found on ultrasound is usually not a good indicator of a chromosomal condition (ref 3,4). In other words, if only one marker is found during a level 2 ultrasound, the odds are very high that the baby is healthy.

What if they find several markers?

If several markers are found, typically the next step is an amnio, which is a diagnostic test.

CONCLUSION

Choroid plexus cysts and esophageal atresia can both be found in babies with no chromosomal abnormalities (i.e. in developmentally normal babies). Even if both are present together, this does not mean your baby is going to have Edwards syndrome, because usually, other "markers" such as clenched fists, heart defects, club foot etc are present.

If a fetus with choroid plexus cysts has a detailed ultrasound, including views of the heart and of hands that open and close, and shows no other abnormalities, then the risk of Trisomy 18 is only 1 in about 250 (IF THE MOTHER IS UNDER 32 AND THERE IS NO FAMILY HISTORY OF CHROMOSOMAL ABNORMALITIES). Only an amniocentesis can give an actual diagnosis.

So Tracey, although both choroid cysts and esophageal atresia can be present in babies with Edwards syndrome, they are also both found in developmentally normal babies too. The chances are that your baby will be fine. The only way to definitely rule out chromosomal syndromes such as Edwards' -Trysomy 18- is by amniocentisis. I don't understand why they did an amnio first and are arranging for a more detailed scan after that? Really, it should have been the other way around because of the risks from having an amnio.

I hope that everything turns out to be fine and that you get to enjoy the remainder of your pregnancy. It sounds as though you've had quite a journey already in getting this far. We're all thinking about you. Let us know when you get your results.

xxx

P.S. I'm sorry that this sounds complicated and like a load of jargon - this is supposed to be it in "plain English" and condensed! It should be obvious that even the medical professionals and researchers cannot tell you for definite whether your baby will have chromosomal abnormailities or not, even after scanning you in detail. Only an amnio to look at your actual baby's cells, can show if anything is wrong, so really, you will just have to wait and see, I'm afraid.
 
Thanks for that reply Wendy, I really appreciate you taking the time to type up all that information.

I forgot to mention that when I was at the hospital for the second scan they actually told me that the fluid around the baby was actually at a normal level rather than the above average level of the week before.

I am sat at home now waiting for the hospital to get back to me with the amnio results, hopefully will get them today, but if not today it will be tomorrow.

Its been a hard weekend for both me and my partner and our families, we just want to know now.

Tracey xx
 
Tracey,

I am so sorry you are going through this...

Try and stay strong... please keep us updated if you can...

:hug: :hug: :hug:
 
I feel awful about my 1st reply to this thread now :oops: I'd like to apologise!

I feel for you hun, stay strong for you, the baby and your family. I am sure everything will turn out for the better, you have to wade through the river to get to the stream, so to speak.

Apart from the tummy and cyst, have the doctors said anything else? Is your LO 100% fine other that what has been mentioned?
 

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