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CHECKING OUT DAY CARE - WHAT QUESTIONS SHOULD I ASK??

Shaz

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Hi Girls - my baby is due end of January next year and when I return to work in the Autumn I'm going to have to do a nursery for four mornings a week.

I've got one just down the road which I'm visiting on Friday - what sort of questions should I be asking them so make sure they are OK?
 
My god, how organised are you! I've not even thought about that yet Shaz!

So sorry, i have no clue what to ask them! :oops:
 
I know it might seem a bit early, but they only have limited places for next year and they are so local to me so I thought I'd better get in there!!
 
Hi Shaz - I own a nursery and act as an nvq assessor ( check out nursery nurses and train them up). I see many nurseries and would honestly say the biggest thing to go with is your gut feeling! I know that sounds silly but if you walk in and the staff barely look at you, children look/sound unhappy - do not touch with a barge poll. Altenatively, staff may be welcoming and the atmosphere may feel great - this is usually your best bet.

Legally here are some pointers:
1) ratios - ask about these - who cares for your child - a qualified staff member at all times or just sometimes? How many people are in the room with your child. Minimum is 2 people at ALL times. Ratio for caring for newborns is 1:1! Check this out. Ask how many babies there are to how many staff. This is a legality and needs to adhered to...
2) Ask about activities or planning - the nursery should be following something called 'birth to three matters' ( they will flinch if you mention this and it is not in place! It is recommended by OFSTED as the curriculum to use at this age). The staff member should be able to show you planning for activities and the outcomes ( the way your child behaved) should be recorded. This is something you can ask to see whenever you like. Your child needs to be stimulated and you should see this happening while you are there. Eg - water play/painting etc
3)Nappy changes/sleeps/feeds - are these carried out regimentaly at certain times or is the baby changed when dirty? You would be surprised how often babies are made to sit in dirty/wet nappies until a staff member is on rota to change them. Ask to see or explain the nursery routine.
4)What happens if your baby is ill? Ask about procedures. There should be policies and procedures for EVERYTHING happening at the nursery - you should be allowed copies.
5)What happens if staff are ill - are there bank staff who regularly attend to cover or are the people different each time? Your child needs a bit of consistency and this can be unsettling if staff change a lot. Also on the same lines will your child have a keyworker ( a key carer who your babe can bond with).
6)What is staff retention like - this gives you a good idea of how happy staff are and how settled the nursery is - lots of changes would be unsettling for babies.
7)Who is first aid trained and is there always someone to deal with accidents - again this is a legality but doesn't always mean that there is someone.Never assume!
8) Do the nursery do outings and if so what happens with ratios etc. These need to be maintained at all times.
9) Ask about emergencies - fire/evacuation/lost children...there should be policies which the staff should summarize. Will you have to pay if the nursery remains shut for whatever reason?
10)Look at the building. Think about risk asessment. Ask if these are carried out regulalry. If something looks unsafe to you it probabaly is...
11) Ask about allergies and their procedures - for example some nurseries ban peanut/ nut products to avoid allergic reactions for all children.
12) think about hidden costs - do they charge for bank holidays ( most do!), do you supply nappies or will they? Outings/food etc.
13) Ask for an explanantion of the behaviour policy and how it is implemented ( obviously no smacking etc).

I certainly haven't covered everything there but that is a lot to get started. As I said if you feel the children and staff seem content and happy they probably are. Stay as long as you can and if possible just sit in a corner and try to disappear - staff can act for so long and then the cracks start showing. They should not be alarmed by you wanting to stay and watch. Good luck and enjoy. Please do not panic - I see some truly lovely nurseries and the bad ones are fewer!
 
Wow Sarah your defo the person to speak to on this subject lol
 
Sorry that was a real ramble! I do go on when I get started!
 
My god Sarah - I might actually sound like I know what I'm talking about when I go there!!!!
 
Seems I've been naive about nursery waiting lists. I've just realised my daughter would benefit from going now, but the nursery we like say there's a chance she may get in Sept 2007. :shock:

It seems 12mnths+ waiting is the norm in my area. So if you wanted to put your baby in at 3months, by the time you discover you're pregnant you're already late! :?

Managing to get dd in Fridays only from now until then. Better than nothing.

Good luck.
 
Sarah you say the ratio is newborn 1:1, Can i just add that if you go into a nursery Shaz and they show you the baby room and say the ratio is 1:3 then they are not braking the law lol. Most nurseries dont take from newborn but from 3 months onwards and the ratios are as follows:

3months - 2 years 1:3
2 years - 3 years 1:4
3 years - 5 years 1:8

unless they go outside of the nursery, i.e on walks etc, then take 1 of each ratio.

Just thought id clear that bit up incase you got confused hehe.

There, by law should also be a routine up on the wall of each age group, feel free to ask for a copy of the routine, i have also never seen and would never want to see a nursery that has set nappy times including if the child is soiled...at my nursery we have set nappy change times, however if a child poops we will change the child as soon as the smell hits us! a child should never in any circumstance be left to sit in a soiled nappy and if If i went to look around a nursery and saw this then id probably phone environmental health!

Also ask what qualifications the staff have in each room, even if there is unqualified staff there should be qaulified staff allocated to each room aswell, there should always be more qualified staff than unqualified staff in the nursery. Also all the staff should be CRB checked. This is the law, to work in a nursery you MUST be crb checked.

Ask about their rules on food...fruit, water, milk etc...will they be getting a good healthy balanced diet and their 5 a day aswell.

Ask about cleaning, how often is the nursery cleaned, how deep is the cleaning etc, the last thing you want is you're child in an unclean nursery.

There is a few other things but i think Sarah covered the rest :).

Also as Sarah mentioned the birth to three matters thing it is unusual for parents to know anything about it themselves so staff could find it easy to tell you anything. Ask them to tell you about the criterea of it, the main aspects being:

a competant learner
a skilful communicator
a healthy child
a strong child

As long as they mention these 4 things and can give you a basic understanding of each one then they follow it properly, if not then its a lazy nursery and they are not following new laws, i would steer clear. They should do observations and make records of you're childs development all through their time at nursery. Ask to see an example of a childs developmental folder. Its alot i know, but you want to know that the nursery is on top of everything :-) .

here is some more info on birth to three for you

http://www.surestart.gov.uk/resources/childcareworkers/birthtothreematters/

One more thing, ask about keyworker systems, in each room staff are allocated certain children and they do their folders, obs, etc. It gives the children consistency, i have never seen a nursery without this system before.

Cassi
 
im going to have a look around a nursery tomorrow.

at the end of each day would i be told what Diors been up to or how shes been that day or will they write it down? i think its important to no her naps and when she last ate so when i get home i no if shes tired or hungry??

i no they supply the food. what happens if Dior dont like what she is given and dont eat it? will she go with out?

and in the 18month section do they still get nap times?
do they have to nap? do they all have set nap time?

also if i dont want Dior going on day outs will they eccept that or is it tuff?

iv seen some nersury workers with the babies out before and they were swearing round the children i hated that!

its a nursery at thr hospital its aimed for nhs workers but also will take other chldren seems i live close im interested in it? do you no any thing about these kind or are they just as good?

also when i phoned they had loads of spaces, does this indicate its not a well wanted nursery?
 
oops - sorry everyone and thanks Cassi - I thought I had mentioned the 1:3 ratio for the 3 months onwards but didn't. Can I ask which nursery you are in Cassi - I'm intrigued as we both live in Reading.
 
Hi Guys

Well "Baby Gray" is now booked in a place at a local nursery for July of next year.

It was a 1:3 ratio for 6 month olds - but as they only take 6 babies anyway there were actually 1:2 at the time so that was good.

Went with the advice of "gut instinct" -firstly the security was excellent - they didn't just buzx me in the girl actually came and walked me on from the gate which I thought was really really good.

Secondly it was a small, but very colourful nursery - and I know it seems daft but not "too tidy"

What I mean by that is that when I went to one with my friend once with her little girl it was so pristine and sterilt it was like the children weren't allowed to touch anything.

Spent a lot of time talking about developement because baby will probably be staying there until pre-school age. They do the "Birth to Three" programme which they gave me lots of information about.

All the children seemed happy and they have an enclosed garden which they are encouraged out into.

Have to take my own nappies and wipes, and milk if I'm still expressing (but shouldn't be at 6 months!). All else provided.

Glad that's another thing off the list and thanks again for all the advice!!
 

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